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Problems With Soap Bubble Suds in Bosch Dishwasher—No Solution Yet

Updated on April 4, 2016
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I was born in 1948 and spent most of my career as a self employed computer trouble shooter for Unix systems.


Most people who move into the over 55 retirement community where we now live either custom order their home or buy something used from someone leaving. Our situation was a little different: we bought a house where someone was unable to complete the purchase. They had never moved in, never even paid anything but a deposit, but they had specified things like floor coverings and appliances.

We liked the model of the home and the location was perfect. We didn't like their choices in floor coverings, cabinets or appliances, but we felt the location over rode all that so we bought. The first thing we did was rip out half the carpeting they had wanted and replace it with wood, but we left the appliances as they were because we felt we could live with them.

Cheap Dishwasher

The dishwasher was a cheap GE model and was very, very noisy. It didn't do a great job with the dishes and the loudness of it was annoying, but we lived with it for two years until I found out that my nephew and his wife had been living without any dishwasher for a year because they could not afford to buy one. I took that as opportunity and excuse: I wouldn't have to throw away a working piece of equipment (I detest waste like that), my nephew and his wife could escape the drudgery of washing dishes by hand for a family of four, and we'd buy something quieter and better.


By the way, my nephew has four screeching birds that live in their kitchen. The noise from the GE would be nearly inaudible compared to those birds.



Low End

So we bought a low end Bosch dishwasher. We saw no need to go for the fancier models; its just the two of us and as we eat lightly and simply, so we don't normally have much to wash anyway. Most of the fancy stuff is just more complicated controls for convenience features we don't need; we felt the low end was fine.

"Low End" with Bosch is still close to a $600 purchase. We picked the SHE33M02UC because it was well reviewed at Consumer Reports and because I was able to get a good deal on it from one of my customers who sells Bosch and other higher end products. I brought it home, called my nephew to come help and by the end of the day we both had working dishwashers. His wife was far beyond happy that day, though my wife kept apologizing to her about the noise.

Even if they didn't have screeching birds, I think she would not have cared if it sounded like a jet taking off. She was just happy that they would not be standing over that sink for hours.

The Sound Of Silence

We were very impressed by how quiet the Bosch was. Compared to the GE, it almost seemed to make no noise at all. But we soon realized that all was not well in dishwasher land.


Remove from dishwasher, fill with water, many soap bubbles
Remove from dishwasher, fill with water, many soap bubbles
Dump that water, refill. bubbles gone.
Dump that water, refill. bubbles gone.

Tiny Bubbles Make Me Feel Blue

One of our complaints about the GE was that it didn't seem to wash very well. We happen to be big water drinkers and we filter our tap water rather than contributing to more pollution with bottled water. We had noticed with the GE that we'd see little soap bubbles if we didn't rinse our glasses before using them. We could also taste it - we wouldn't have noticed it with milk or juice, but it stood out with filtered water.

That was another thing my wife kept apologizing for. I could see the look in my nephew's wife eyes: a few tiny soap bubbles were not anything she cared about at that point. A little soap is better than a backache. We had post-rinsed, she could do the same.

They're B-a-a-ck!

We had expected that problem to disappear with the Bosch, but it did not.

Wow. That WAS a surprise. Were we doing something wrong? I asked my appliance dealer and he suggested several possibilities.


Things that can cause left over soap


Blocked drain

If the soap can't drain, all the rinsing in the world is not going to help. Could I have messed up the installation or or kinked the drain hose?

Well, the Bosch drain hose is very hard to screw up. It is attached to the side of the unit and almost impossible to kink. Still, I pulled it out and double checked and also interrupted the cycle to confirm that it was able to drain everything out.

Dishwater Soap

If you happen to squirt any dish or hand detergent onto dishes waiting in the sink for later loading into the dishwasher, you can create too many suds for the dishwasher to handle. Dish and hand soap is designed to suds up, dishwasher soap is not. You'd see that it is unable to drain away all those suds if you opened it up during the cycle.

We made sure that didn't happen.

Not hot enough

We always run the hot water before doing the dishes and we don't keep our water heater turned down low. That goes against most advice for saving money, but my fear is of bacteria growing in the tank, especially as we don't use much hot water. It sits there a long time, I want it hot to kill stuff off.

Too much soap, too much Jet Dry with soft water

We tried using less and less soap and got down to less than a half teaspoon - still had bubbles. We tried it with less Jet Dry, no Jet Dry and more Jet Dry. No change whatsoever.

Built up soap

Here the idea is that your past sins are still haunting you. Soap residue has built up everywhere and is reintroduced at every wash. The suggested solution is to run through a few cycles with no soap and white vinegar.

I used up a gallon and a half of white vinegar in a dozen cycles with no soap and nothing changed.

The Internet

I turned to Google for help. Unfortunately, if you search for soap film and dishwashers, you are more apt to find suggestions for dealing with hard water deposits and etching than left over soap that causes bubbles. If you search for bubbles instead of film, you find problems with sudsing and they all talk about the same things we had already tried.

I did find one person who claimed that the problem can come from dishes being too clean. His theory is that the detergent needs grease and grime to stick to and that without it, it can't ever really wash away.

If that is our problem, we'll be living with it forever because we don't eat greasy foods. We hardly ever eat meat at all. Do I have to add grease to my dishwasher? That seems unlikely.

Bosch

So, one month shy of our warranty expiration, we called Bosch. They checked everything over and told us that our soap was the culprit. We've been using Trader Joe's; Bosch recommended Electrasol (now called Quantum Finish).

Fine. If that's what we have to do, that's what we have to do. He left us samples; we tried it.

There were even more soap bubbles. Sheesh!

Back to Google

I went back to Google and searched more. I found someone who said they had this problem but had improved it with 7th Generation detergent. We use their clothes washer detergent now, so we will try that, but really wonder whether this is unavoidable.

We never had this problem back in our old home. The major difference is that we had an older dishwasher not designed to save water. I had put that puppy in decades ago. I suspect that old model may have wasted a lot of rinse water, but didn't leave soap on our dishes. We used Trader Joe's there, so that's the same.

Unaware?

I wonder if other people have this problem and just haven't noticed it. If we did not drink filtered tap water, we would not have noticed. You expect milk and juice to have bubbles and anything but water will mask any taste. Even tap water will mask it if it has a noticeable amount of chlorine.

Maybe people have the same problem and do not know it?

Bosch Redux

We have Bosch coming back for another look-see. I honestly don't feel hopeful about resolving this.

If the problem is that our water is too soft (which is actually a silly phrase because water either has mineral content or it does not), the most often repeated advice is less soap. I don't know how little we can use and still hope to clean anything. However, we will keep trying and we'll see what happens.

I'll update this if I get any new information.


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    Mike Hostetler 7 years ago

    You know I have an ongoing saga with our dishwasher. It still doesn't get things as clean as they should. I think we don't scrape our dishes well enough.

    Anyway, it's easy to put too much soap in -- most dishwashers (especially a Bosch) don't use a lot of water, so they don't need much soap. If I remember from my research, a Bosch uses even less than most, and then heats it up really, really hot. This is one of the reasons why they are so quiet.

    So do the vinegar thing one last time, and then try using half the soap. Let me know what happens.

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    I'm already at one quarter of the amount!

    We use so little now that I can't even pour it from the box - I need to put it into something else first and then take from that.

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    Mike Hostetler 7 years ago

    More random thoughts sprang to mind after I submitted my first one. You can tell I've thought a lot about dishwashers.

    All dishwasher manufacturers recommend Electrasol but I can't figure out why -- it leaves a distinct oder on your dishes. We were told the same thing and we stopped after one box.

    We use Costco-brand gel (Kirkland Signature) and it works as well as anything else. I had a repairman tell me once that powders actually work better than gel, but my wife doesn't believe that and keeps buying the gel. If you are using a gel, maybe try a powder instead.

    If you want to try the Costco brand, maybe someone in your development is a member and wouldn't mind picking it up for you. No sense in being a Costco member just for the dishwasher soap. Although I can tell you a lot of reasons to be a Costco member, for two people it may not make sense.

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    Trader Joe's is a powder.

    We are BJ's - I never noticed if they have a house brand for this, but will check. We are also going to try the 7th Generation brand.

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    CASE1WORKER 7 years ago from UNITED KINGDOM

    Electrical appliances are a bit of a problem in our household, but at least yours is working! Unless No 2's boyfriend can manage to get ours going I end up with the end less hours at the sink!

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    You'll vote with my nephew's wife then: a liitle soap is better than washing by hand :-)

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    Susannah Birch 7 years ago from Toowoomba, Australia

    I've never had a dishwasher in my life - always handwashed. I just don't see why people would prewash when a few seconds more would clean it...

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    You don't prewash with today's dishwashers. Scrape, but not wash.

    That reminds me of when we bought our first dishwasher. I was installing it when friends dropped by. Let's call them John and Susan.

    John looked over the dishwasher and announced "I don't need a dishwasher. I have Susan to wash dishes!"

    A week later I was at his house, helping him install a new dishwasher :-)

    Dumbest thing he ever said..

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    mega1 7 years ago

    Hi - Our dishwasher has three settings and if you use the lowest ones the dishes are not clean, not rinsed adequately or something. So I always make sure its on the highest setting even if I am not washing pots and pans - that may help you - I think it does extra rinsing, uses more water etc. but that's ok.

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    I've thought of that, but it's a two and a half hour cycle as it is!

    We may have to go to that, though.

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    Sherri 7 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

    This is a sorry situation, PC. If you haven't done it already, you might contact your current water department and your former one and ask them for their water analysis reports. Or maybe you could find someone in your old neighborhood that has the same Bosch you do and see if theirs leaves suds.

    I'm thinking "soft" water, because your unfortunate experience has happened with two dishwashers in the same house. If soft water is the culprit, you'll have to use that extra rinse cycle.

    I had an unforgettable experience a while ago at a friend's house trying to clean her coffee pot with dish detergent. She had one of those water softeners installed and warned me not to use soap on the pot. But the pot was dirty! About 100 gallons of water later, the suds finally left the pot. And the pot was clean.

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    We've tried doing a "quick wash" with no soap after the regular - we still get soap bubbles.

    It has to be buildup from using too much initially, but with all the vinegar rinsing and no soap washes we've done, I can't see how.

    Bosch guy today said to throw in a tablespoon of cooking oil to clean out old soap.. Maybe the dirty dishes guy was right!

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    despereaux 7 years ago from Madison, WI

    I was just wondering... are you sure they're soap bubbles? I found this at answerbag. http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/432742 Don't know if it is correct, but it makes sense. It would be fun to test. Say take one of your clean glasses to another location and see if you get bubbles and/or have a friend bring over a clean glass and see if you get bubbles. Hope you solve it!

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    Well, look at the two photos. Same turbulence, same source.

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    Cellery 7 years ago

    WEll, I would say the dish washer is still something new in concept and practicality. Unlike the washer and dryer which they have proven track records of their workability.

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    Tony Lawrence 7 years ago from SE MA

    Um, yeah, like those new fangled computers and microwaves. Too new. We shouldn't have bought one.

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    We have recently been using half a teaspoon of soap and do the Power Scrub Plus cycle.

    The soap bubbles are reduced, but still there.

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    djboat 6 years ago

    Did using the Power Scrub Plus cycle work? We have the same problem with our Bosch dishwasher.

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    Nope. No help at all.

    And if we use even less soap, the dishes don't get clean!

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    djboat 6 years ago

    They told you your water is too soft? Bosch told us our water is too hard. There is clearly a problem with the design of the machine.

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    Well, yes, but it isn't Bosch. It is apparently all new dishwashers - energy saving, low water use, all that causes us to eat soap.

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    djboat 6 years ago

    Did the 7th Generation soap help? Or any suggestions on other diswasher soap?

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    We forgot to try that.. Thanks for the reminder.

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    djboat 6 years ago

    We are trying the vinegar, but I am losing hope. I just broke a glass from handwashing dishes. I hope something works soon.

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    Kiran McNeilis 6 years ago

    Hi, I have noticed this problem and my friends think im going mad or something. My friends are Pepsi lovers and I like to drink lots of water when I go to bed, however they do not. I have noticed this almost soapy taste when drinking from glasses once been washed from my dishwasher. They look completely clean but once in with water the glass get bubbles in it. I am a little bit bothered by this but I can deal with it. However, can drinking this soap cause hazards to my health in the long run????

    Please do email me thoughts??

    kiranmcneilis@hotmail.co.uk

    Regards, Kiran

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    I can't imagine it is healthy.

    It is annoying to have to rinse things before you use them, but that's what we have to do now.

    If we were not water drinkers, we never would have noticed this!

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    I saw this today: http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132072122/it-s-not-y...

    Nothing useful, of course.

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    I know that phosphates are part of this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/science/earth/19...

    But it's also low water use that causes soap residue. I think I'm going to start doing an extra rinse cycle - it doesn't work entirely, but the other day I still saw suds remaining on the dishwasher door! Another "quick wash" with no soap at least got rid of that residue.

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    Freda 6 years ago

    Hi!

    Wow.... Can't believe someone else is having the same problem! My Bosch dishwasher started this SUD business about three weeks ago and as you said the service man gave me the same stories about "wrong soap" or "too much soap" which is so hard to buy. I spoke with Bosch people and they said to use "finish dishwasher cleaner" which I did, still everything is the same. I feel I have reached a dead end and don't know what to do. Did you try cleaning the hose as well? That's something I haven't tried. Thank you for your input!

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    Cleaning the hose? Nope. We did not.

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    Tony 6 years ago

    I am an old appliance repairman (25+ yrs so far in the business although I am not directly involved right now). You HAVE done most everything I would have recommended. Yes, the hotter the water, the better soap works, dissolves, and rinses off and powdered is usually the best. Do not know the quality of your water coming into the unit and even filtered water does NOT take all impurities out of the water.

    However, I do know that in this day and age of energy efficiency, most units use less water than before, so even in hard water, the less soap today the better, but harder water will require more soap. You have cut down to less than a tablespoon, which is good, but what soap bin do you put it in? If it has a cover on it, then this bin will not open until about mid point of the cycle (all d/w's go through at least 3-4 fills before the rinse portion of the cycle). So you may need to just throw the soap in the open bin (or just throw it in the bottom of the tub when first starting the cycle) and then see what happens. I would also suggest, since you basically clean your dishes anyway before putting them in the unit, to try and see what happens w/out soap at all - I am betting the dishes will be just as clean...

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    We did try no soap. That was not good..

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    lauriea 6 years ago

    I have had my Bosch dishwasher for about 5 years and started having sudsing problems 3 weeks ago. I haven't done anything new...same dishwasher detergent but now I have lots of suds after every load. I will try your suggestions, but I don't understand why it just started happening after all this time.

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    Tony Lawrence 6 years ago from SE MA

    Two thoughts: it may not be draining properly or the detergent might have changed its formulation.

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    snifflese 6 years ago

    I have a brand new dishwasher from Bosch and thought I must be nuts. I had a really funny feeling tongue the first time I drank from a cleaned cup and my mouth was so dry that I drank 3 cups of water. My husband told me I must be imagining things. For a week or so after, I rinsed my clean items and then decided that was

    silly. I did not realize there was a bubbling problem.

    Now 3 weeks later I realized I have frothy bubbles in

    the glasses and everything else when I pour water in them. I can't imagine that it is good to be ingesting

    this soap every day. I did purchase a special

    detergent for babies which is supposed to be safe and non-toxic. I used one tablespoon last night and the dishes still have the bubbles, but hopefully, it is not as bad for my health. I am fit to be tied, as I don't think I should have to worry about this with a brand new dishwasher. I guess I will try just a rinse cycle with no detergent and see how the dishes are. Glad to see it is not just me and I am curious how many people out there just don't know this is a problem because they don't really pay attention.

    Babyganics Dish Dazzler.

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    SujdsOff 5 years ago

    I think the culprit is the design of the Bosch. We found that immediately after installing, no matter how much soap, no matter what formulation, etc., we got suds. My wife loves her tea and she needs to rinse before each cup. Too bad. Can't very well return the unit now, can we. Maybe we can just wash all by hand again.

    Fred Flintstone

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    We've found that if we follow the wash with a light wash with no soap, MOST of the problem is gone. The design simply does not rinse well.

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    DinBryan 5 years ago

    I am having the same sudsy problem. I find soap bubbles in the depression on jars, etc and in the bottom of the dishwasher. If I do a Quick Wash, even with no soap, the bottom of my dishwasher looks like a bubble-bath. I've tried 3 different soaps and have been dispensing the soap with a measuring spoon--I currently use 1 teaspoon. My dishes are not getting clean like they used to and this problem started when the dishwasher was almost two years old. Since the unit was new I have tried every "natural" brand of soap and many of the name brands. I have never filled the soap tray up completely just because I think that is bad for the environment and not necessary. I have always used powdered soap. I switched to a natural rinse agent, because I don't want to eat Finish, these problems had already started before the switch. I have also run the unit for several days after the rinse agent dispenser was empty (warning light on).

    About the time my problem started another symptom surfaced. I would start the dishwasher on any setting and after about 90 seconds the unit would quit and the clean light would come on. The soap door would not open and naturally the dishes would not be clean, or even wet. After checking the drain, hoses, looking for leaks, corrosion, etc. I inadvertently opened the door during this 90 second window. When I did this the dishwasher would run normally. I still don't think the dishes were as clean as before but it was livable. I could not use the delay wash feature and sometimes I had to restart the dishwasher many times before I remembered to open the door at the right time--some time had to pass for the trick to work. I finally got fed up and called Bosch for service as my warranty was about to expire. A local tech came out and decided to replace the controller board, which I agreed was the only thing that could be broken, since the dishwasher worked. He inadvertently ordered the board with the buttons on it, which he replaced anyway, then ordered the correct board under the unit where all the wires plug into and the one with the brains and relays. This did not solve the problem.

    He called Bosch and they told him to replace the discharge pump (which seemed to work fine if I opened the door at the right moment during "startup stage.") Only electronic are covered after the first year, labor and pumps where on my dime, but I agreed. This did not fix the problem.

    Next Bosh told service man to replace the main pump/motor assembly (a $260 part, discharge pump was $80). At this point I called Bosch and said I didn't mind paying my fair share but that it was getting absurd that I had to pay for all these service calls and part when the Bosch factory Tech was simply guessing. After faxing Bosch proof of purchase and the service history up to that point, Bosch comped all the parts, I paid the labor.

    Sometime during this time the dishwasher stopped emptying completely and therefore was trying to wash the dishes in half dirty sudsy water.

    So the Factory tech told the service rep to replace the water inlet solenoid, the main pump/motor assembly, and the discharge pump. We also re-verified none of the hoses were blocked (they are clear and easy to see), that the sink was draining properly, etc. After these parts were replaced the dishwasher started completing a cycle on its own, However I noticed a lot of suds left in the dishwasher. Thinking this was a build-up of soap form the unit not properly draining and/or having other issues, I dismissed it and started using less soap (we do have very soft water in my area). Soon I was washing loads with no soap (you need soap), then I was using soap but washing empty loads, trying different soap, cycles, etc.

    Last week I tried a Quick Wash Cycle with no soap and the cycle completed properly but the dishwasher was full of suds. I called Bosch yesterday to reopen my case and they agreed to pay for the service company to come out and diagnose the problem, even agreed to pick up the parts again if the problem was the same. There is no way to know if the problem is the same because nobody knows what the problem is, however I feel Bosch will be fair as they have been slightly tedious to work with but generous and committed so far.

    I have my 7th appointment with a service tech on Tuesday. I'm not very hopeful that a solution can be found as there just aren't many more parts that can be replaced. My feeling is that the second control board was faulty from the beginning, or that failure of one of the other parts blew the second control board as soon as it was powered up.

    In any case, I STRONGLY feel that this problem is a failure of some sort. This is not the result of water saving design gone too far. This is a failure and I was "lucky" enough to have more than one symptom, thus lending some credence to the fact that I'm not crazy...

    In a perfect world, Bosch would send a factory tech out here, replace the Dishwasher (I'll take a used one that works just like the one I have) and ship this one back to the factory and find out what is really going on. This isn't soap, water, rinse agent, temperature, or design. This is broke, albeit a funny broke.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    What bothers me is how many people are probably blissfully unaware and eating and drinking soap scum..

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    DinBryan 5 years ago

    Well the service tech came and in 1 minute decided that the the rinse agent despenser was leaking and that was what was causing the sudsing. He said it only took a couple of drops and more than that would leave suds. As it turns out I just had to refill the despenser a few weeks ago and I've only filled it twice before and I run it everyday--5-6 times a day lately for testing...

    So he is going to talk to Bosch, again. I asked if it was a faulty solinoid/seal or if it was the controller leaving the solinoid open. He said he didn't know. My guess is that we will be replacing the solinoid/despenser first then finally get to the Control Board again.

    Anyway the good news is you probably aren't eating soap, the bad news is that you are probably eating rinse agent. There is a small hole below the hole you put the rinse agent in. I had timed it perfectly so that when the tech got here a Power Wash Cycle was just ending. Power Wash Cycle has the least amount of suds, Ithink because it has the "sanitizing" cycle at the end that burns off most of the suds. Anyway, the tech opened the rinsie door and sure enough you could see wetness around the dispensing hole.

    On a side note, my local natural/organic grocery just started carrying "natural" rinse agent, which if you are going to be eating rinse agent, might be worth looking for.

    P.S. the tech agreed that they won't work well without soap, that the soap is needed to "break down the enzymes in the food." He also seemed to think that the rinse agent being dispensed during all the wash cycles would prevent the dishes from being cleaned--maybe even rinsed of soap. There must be some reason why in 50+ years of design, they still go to the expense of seperating the soap and rinse agents...

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    We don't use rinse agent.. we tried it a few times, couldn't see that it did anything useful, so we stopped.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    By the way, one service person insisted that the lack of rinse agent was causing the problem, so we tried it again. It did not change anything.

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    fedup 5 years ago

    hey, i just wanted to add my two cents. My dishwasher is doing what sounds like exactly the same thing, and i don't have a bosch. I know, for sure, that it is not my soft water, since the problem started when i still had hard water. i have tried everything that is listed in this forum, and still have not found a solution. three service people have come out to look at this problem, and one of them insinuated that i just don't know how to use a dishwasher! i am SO aggravated! i will post any updates, as another service person is supposed to come back out sometime in the near future.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    As I mentioned above, we have found that using a very small amount of soap and always doing another "Quick wash" without soap works. However, it took some number of cycles to get rid of previously accumulated soap.

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    fedup 5 years ago

    I use a liquid dishwasher detergent, and have always used very little. Upon discovering the massive amounts of suds being produced, i decreased the amount of soap i used each wash, always running several cycles in between to get rid of the accumulated soap. I did this until i could only put (literally) 3 drops of soap without the dishwasher creating a bunch of suds. Obviously, this is not enough to actually clean anything, so i am looking for some other solution. I have noticed that the heating element in the dishwasher is not working, so hopefully this will solve my issue.

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    TiredinSeattle 5 years ago

    Did you ever try the 7th gen?

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Yes, we did try that. It didn't help. We use the Trader Joe's now (1/4 of the amount that would fill the container) and use an extra "quick wash" without soap after the normal wash. That seems to work well enough, although it took a long time to get the built-up soap out of the machine.

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    Sandy 5 years ago

    I've been having the same bubble issue w mine! We have hard water, heavy minerals, little iron. I made a batch of detergent, 1 part borax, one part kosher salt, one part soda ash. STILL HAVE FOAM! How is this even possible?

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    Mrs. Bubbles 5 years ago

    My Bosch dishwasher is four years old and the tech in our neck of the woods basically told us the same thing, but suggested a product called Dishwasher Magic that you turn upside down in the utensil basket and let it run through a cycle. I first did two rounds of the vinegar, Dishwasher Magic and now I am doing another round of the vinegar...still suds. Also, although the water is hot, the "sanitized" sensor light no longer lights up at the end just the "clean" light. Anyone else have this problem?

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    This article http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/11110... made me think that dishwashers need a redesign. Maybe someday this Ultrasonic Nozzle technology will be the answer to better washing with less water?

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    I hadn't heard of "Dishwasher Magic" but we'll try anything!

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    Kevin 5 years ago

    We have been fighting the same issue for the past several months. Calling Bosch and them telling us to change the detergent - tried that, still bubbles. Called them again, and they told us yet another detergent – still got bubbles. Tried bypassing my in-line filters for the house – still bubbles. Tried no Jet Dry, Full Jet Dry, Med Jet Dry – no change. Tried different settings on Bosch – no change. Our water seems normal – not hard or soft – we get some buildup but not a lot. Since the dishwasher is still under warranty Bosh told us to call someone for service, so we called an authorized service person to which they said if they come out and find nothing wrong we have to pay around $100 for the visit. What a rip. I don’t think we’ll be buying any Bosch appliances going forward, and if we can return this I’m sure we will. The previous dishwasher we had was 17 years old – noisy, but never had this issue. CRAZY!

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    I don't think it's necessarily Bosch. I think it is mandated low water use and phosphate free detergents.

    We have found that using less soap and doing an extra "Quick Wash" after the normal cycle works for us now that the buildup has worked its way out.

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    mklsvg 5 years ago

    Bosch soapy suds

    Wow. very interesting and impressive to see how long you've had this string. We too have soapy cups when drinking filtered water. I didn't notice at all but my wife did and now i'm a little freaked. I wonder if we should have bought the Asko machine that I wanted! Well, I'll reread this string and i'd like to know how you've resolved this. I hope you have at least. We are about ready to contact the salesman.

    thanks from

    Portland

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    Phrolica 5 years ago

    I have exactly the same problem with my Bosch dishwasher. I've also tried doing an extra quick wash after the dishwasher's done, but that's not really environmentally friendly so I was hoping to find another solution.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    I don't like wasting the water either, but I'm not going to drink soap scum, so..

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    mklsvg 5 years ago

    Hi all, no luck yet. i'm trying to get the motivation to call the salesman yet again. they've been cooperative but seems like next step is to replace the dishwasher. what a pain! another house call.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Good luck.

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    MissLee 5 years ago

    I stumbled on this thread as I googled "Bosch detergent after taste" .. I have been using bicarbonate soda and 2 drops of eucalyptus oil in place of detergent or powder and use white vinegar as my rinse aid and find this has been the only way I don't get that horrid after taste.

    My dishes come out really clean and glasses are streak free.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Thank you, misslee, that is very interesting!

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    MissLee 5 years ago

    I was quite skeptic myself but it surprisingly has worked and the dishes don't have a vinegar smell either. Let me know if you try it!

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Yes, we will.

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    Diana 5 years ago

    My Bosch is 8 years old. Had a lot of problems in the beginning with dirty dishes after the power scrub wash.

    Finally added more soap and the dishes wre clean. I took my dirty glasses to the Miele ($2400) showroonm in SF and they came out clean.

    I ussually don't open the dishwsher immediately after the cycle. Apparantly the suds have been dissappearing before I opened the washer.

    Tonight i opened it right after the cycle ended and - loads of suds. I ran it at least 4 times (no soap) on every other cycle - still suds. I think I have been eating soap for 8 years.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Unfortunately, you probably have been.

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    christina hart 5 years ago

    I have had a Bosch dishwasher for three years. Last week, I started noticing lots of suds in the bottom after a regular cycle was completed. I have been using Target brand powder detergent since I bought the dishwasher and I only recently had problems. Was going to call a Bosch technician to diagnose but after reading this string, I decided to forget it. I don't want to waste the money if I have to repair this and that and still have no solution. By the way, our water is hard.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    If you've just started having problems, you probably DO have a mechanical issue that they might fix.

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    Diana 5 years ago

    I have completed 3 weeks of fixing the suds problem. I did pay a repair company who not only did nothing but gave me the wrong info. After calling Bosch 2 times - I tried this suggestion. Run JET cleaner 2 times full hot cycle. There are many JEt products - make sure you empty the washer and get the plastic bottle that's about 5 inches wide - read the directions and turn it upside down in the washer.Bottom shelf and make sure the arm doesn't hit the plastic bottle. I think I ran the short cycle again a few times. I think (hope)it's back to working. Seems to be the case.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Yeah, we tried the Jet stuff. Did not work for us., but we didn't do a whole bottle!

    Thanks for that suggestion.

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    Diana 5 years ago

    Actually I made a slight mistake - but then I have been eating and drinking soap for quite a while - it's really Finish/Jet. The "cleaner" bottle goes in upside down in the bottom shelf without removing the cap - read directions, I forget exactly - and an empty washer. There are so many Finish products you need to make sure it's the cleaner one - not the additive to regular washing. It empties itself. Two cycles at full hot wash cycle. Then maybe just one short cycle with nothing in the washer. The only place I could find the cleanser was at Target, where Bosch told me to go. Everywhere else just had the many Finish additive types.

    I have very hard water too but I am using a little less soap. I've always used Costco brand because of the hard water. I don't pay for my water (condo land). I ran it five times a day for three weeks - but I do pay for the electricity - haven't opened the bill yet.

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    MomMomMom 5 years ago

    I purchased a new Bosch diswasher 5 years ago when I bought a new house and have had the same problem as everyone else with sudsing even though I only use a tsp of liquid Cascade. I've had numerous techs look at it and replace parts but to no avail. I even insisted that they replace the whole machine at one point but there is still a layer of suds after it's done washing. I don't use the drying cycle. I wish there was a true solution to this ongoing problem.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Yes, I sympathise. We do find that running the extra cycle works for us. Waste of water though.

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    Angi 5 years ago

    Okay, so here is my problem... Posting this here because this is the closest I have been able to find on our issue.

    First of all, my husband is military, and we live in on post housing. The appliances we have are very basic, and don't get to choose what we get, or replace them. Any way, around Christmas, when making spaghetti for dinner, upon draining the noodles, I noticed there were bubbles in them. I was confused at first, and rinsed them thurally, the bubbles had gone, but there was CLEARLY a rainbow film engulfing the noodles, the kind of rainbow film you see, and just KNOW it's soap. So I tested one, and it tasted god awful! Definitely soapy! Needless to say I did not feed this to my family, but ever since, there has been soap left on our dishes and food.

    Thinking it could be our soap, we switched to 7th generation (for both sink washing and dishwasher) but no matter what we did, soap was always present in our food! Thinking it could have possibly been our water supply, we started using our 5 gallon water cooler as a water source when cooking, no avail, obviously the problem lies within the dishes.

    I started washing dishes by hand, going light on the soap, and due to paranoia, rinsing each individual dish, t, pan, and spoon for 10 minutes in HOTwater (you can tell my hands have been through hell just looking at them) but we still had the problem! So I cut out soap completely, and ri sea my dishes with vinegar... It worked for awahile, but now the soap infestation is back with a vengeance, even when using vinegar, and the 7th generation. There is so much soap when we cook, it's completely unedibal! I don't serve it when it's obvious, but sometimes you can't tell, or even taste it.... Last night out of paranoia again, I made frozen, neat on the stove PF Changs... I got so sick, I lost my stomach, and when I did... There was soap... So much so, you would think I had rabies! I can't even have my morning coffee! And that is a NO GO for me! What am I supposed to do? I feel helpless here! We thought it was our Teflon pots and pans at first, so we even went out and paid a lot of money for all stainless steel cookware (that have never been in the dishwasher btw) but this problem, no matter what we do, will not go away. Every time I cook, I feel like I am going to poison my family. Cooking was a huge passion of mine, and now I don't even want to step foot in my kitchen.

    The kicker is, we can call in for a work order (someone to fix the dishwasher) but, there is nothing they can do unless it's broken, and it's not. Can someone PLEASE help me?!

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Sudden change like that could be something broken - possibly even just an obstruction in the drain hose that prevents it from draining quickly enough. I would ask that they look into that.

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    CCalde 5 years ago

    Have a 2003 top of the line Bosch and it does the same thing. I read somewhere that the government mandated that a certain chemical be removed from dishwasher detergents last year. Iv'e been rinsing the glasses for years before drinking but just recently noticed that there is a small amount of white film being left behind in the bottom of the tub as well which is something new, everything was always very clean until now! We also use very little soap per wash since getting the Bosch but something strange is going on. I have excellent water to begin with too. I thought it was the jet dry causing the bubbles and just needed to be rinsed off but now that I am getting the white residue I am thinking different.

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    demi 5 years ago

    Were you able to try out Misslee's suggestion ...

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    Ann 5 years ago

    I have a Bosch as well and my dishwasher is about 16 years old. About a year ago I started having the problem with the bubbles. Service man came out and told me to use the vinegar, that isn't working. Yesterday I tried vinegar and baking soda to no avail still getting bubbles. HELP

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    Drain hose kink is possible, of course..

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    Lisa 5 years ago

    I'm ready to turn in our brand new Bosch for a model that doesn't leave soap residue. Any suggestions for new models that clean dishes well without leaving foamy bubble residue in a glass of water? Thanks to all for their informative comments.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    No. I don't think there is such a beast.

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    Lisa 5 years ago

    But what about the non Energy Star compliant dishwashers, such as the KitchenAid KUDS30SXWH?

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    Lisa 5 years ago

    One more question---has anyone tried the detergents with phosphates that can still be obtained via the internet? Or is this solely a low-water issue?

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    Tony Lawrence 5 years ago from SE MA

    I have not and know nothing about that model.

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    LAFace 4 years ago

    Just a great thread.. and here i thought it was just me! thanks for the ideas, going to try the additional quick wash/rinse

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    Yes,that what we've been doing for two years now. Waste of water but it works.

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    Doug in CA 4 years ago

    Our Bosch is brand new and never severe subs problem was never present in the old machine. I have been doing pots setting twice foreach load to get it clean. Does the rinse aid have any use? What about the idea of putting the soup in and not closing the soap container door - I think my old dishwasher soap container didn't really close.

    What about filling it with a few extra gallons of water before it starts? I could care less about waste of water. What is the best soap and or rinse agent? Finish doesn't seem to work.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    I don't have anything new to add. As noted above, rinse aid didn't help us and changing soap brands did not either. For us, only the extra wash with no soap makes any difference.

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    rbc 4 years ago

    Had tried many of above options. Finally used a syringe and paper towels to remove all of the "Finish jet-dry" rinse agent (16 OZ bottle SKU 51700 78826) from the rinse agent dispenser of my Bosch dishwasher so that it was bone-dry, then ran machine on rinse cycle a few more times and now when I open the dishwasher, I no longer have a white soap film on my dark dishes (such as black plastic spatulas, dark gray non-stick pans, etc.). They now look really clean! My only guess is that the chemicals in this brand of Finish, mixed with the chemicals in the Cascade I am using ("Cascade Complete" which in tiny print on the label says "with Pure Rinse Formula"... SKU 337000 33840) for the 75oz size, are what produced the bubbles that were left over after each cycle.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    We never use rinse agents but still have the bubbles.

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    Dale 4 years ago

    I am very pleased to find this string of comments. We have the Kitchen-aid model mentioned above and have the same problems as everyone else. We have tried all the same solutions with no resolution. To top it off, the bubbles back up and make the washer leak onto our wood laminate floor. This problem appears to be widespread enough that maybe we should consider contacting the consumer protection agency and/the news media. This could also be considered a heath hazard. I think these dishwasher makers may be using similar engineering and they need to be called on to be accountable for fixing this problem!

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    Jj 4 years ago

    I tried Jet dry for the first time three days ago and since then have been running the dishwasher empty continuously to get rid of the bubbles!!! Even if you don't use it anymore, the rinse aid is the problem if you have bubbles at the end of the cycle. Do what was suggested and suction out the dispenser. There may be some in there.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    After 2 years? I don't think so :-)

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    Sharon 4 years ago

    WOW! I have been through the same experiences and you have Pcunix with my Bosch dishwasher. I have heard it all, done it all, with and with out soap, with and without rinse agent, have used dishwasher cleaners, have used vinegar, run numerous cycles with water only AND I STILL HAVE SUDS!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had numerous service visits- each time with new advice. I am in the process of seeing if I can have the machine replaced under my extended warranty. Thank heaven I bought one. I will let you know what happens.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    My feeling is that all new washers will do this. We have settled on using very little soap and always following up with a light wash without soap. That is working for us.

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    Autumn 4 years ago

    Thanks for the infor. These past three weeks, our Bosch dishwasher had the suds problem. I always do extra Quick wash after normal cycle, but now it stills has lots of suds even though I used two- time extra of Quick wash cycle. Shall I try the Cleanser which somebody has mentioned ?

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    I don't know, but it can't hurt to try.

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    Appalbarry 4 years ago

    Bosch SHE55M. Same issue. Three years old. Lovely QUIET machine, but this has me really irritated.

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    Appalbarry 4 years ago

    Bosch SHE55M (see above) Today I unhooked the drain hose, pointed it into a bucket, and ran a Quick Wash load of dishes with a gel pack of soap. The Bosch emptied three times (I believe). Each of these was icky grey water - I would have expected the final rinse to be close to clean water?

    I then ran the Quick Wash cycle three more times, with no soap. The Rinse agent light had been on for at least half dozen cycles so I'm thinking it should have been empty. Even though I was running soapless, with just washed dishes, the water coming out wasn't clear, not even close, until after two extra runs.

    Then I ran a Full Pot Scrubber Cycle - and found SOAP bubbles in the water coming out of the drain hose! Ran it a second time and seem to be getting clear water.

    I do know that almost since we got this unit, we've noticed that the water well under the strainers always seemed to have grubby water in it. I trusted that Bosch's design was good, and that this was normal. In retrospect maybe not.

    In any event, I'm thinking that we're suffering build up inside of the dishwasher plumbing. I'm thinking that different cycles allow build up in different places. I'm thinking that Bosch has some serious design problems.

    In the interest of science, I'm going to run one more soapless, clean cycle, then see what happens with the next regular load.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    Please do let us know.

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    Appalbarry 4 years ago

    Bosch SHE55M (see above) - after yesterday's mega clean, I ran a full load - the usual mix of pots and pans, plates, and endless coffee cups.

    WOW! I had no idea how bad things were. China and glassware SQUEAKS it's so clean. A cup of coffee no longer has a vague (or lately not so vague) soapy taste. Silverware gleams. This machine is running like brand new - and there are NO suds in the bottom of the machine.

    I guess now it's a game of waiting and watching too see how long it will before another multiple cleaning cycle is needed.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    Use less soap..

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    DertRhodes 4 years ago

    if you're actually seeing soap suds then either hand soap/dish soap is getting into the unit from prewashing your dishes or washing your hands over your dishes and putting the dishes in your Dishwasher. If this is the case, stop doing it obviously.

    This can also happen from Jet dry. Dishwasher detergant can NOT suds no matter how much you put in but jet dry can. Start a cycle and pour a cup of white vinegar into the bottom once it fills, let it run for about 3 or 4 minutes and this will get rid of all the suds. Cancel the cycle or let it run through the rest of the cycle. Start another cycle and don't put anything inside. If at the end of the cycle you have suds, then you have a problem with your dispenser putting too much rinse aid out. You can remove the rinse agent cap and turn the dial down, the number 1 is the lowest and 6 is the highest so put it to 1 or so until you figure out if this works. If so then great, if not and it still sudses with no dishes or anything then you need to replace your dispenser.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    Nope. We've been through all that and more. We don't use any Jet Dry or anything like it.

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    Peter 4 years ago

    Soaps aren't the only thing that will form "bubbles" in water. Proteins, larger peptides, and other cellular components may do so as well. A possible source of such material may be from microbial colonization of surfaces in the dishwasher or water piping, often referred to as biofilms.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    Interesting thought..

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    Appalbarry 4 years ago

    A followup from our posts two months ago: After we ran multiple empty loads to clean out everything that had gunked up the machine, we set to work finishing off a big box of Finish All-in-1 Gel Pacs.

    In retrospect, those were a dumb purchase, as Vancouver has insanely soft water, and the gel pak has too much soap for us and can't really be divided.

    Plus the stupid things stick to each other in the box....

    For the last two months I ran an Auto cycle with a gel pak of soap, followed by a Quick wash with no soap. We're ignoring JetDry right now because the Gel Pacs had it built in..

    This has actually seemed to do a good job on everything.

    We've now switched back to powder, (Cascade I believe) about half filling the soap dish, still with no Jet Dry. It seems to be working pretty well.

    It's worth noting that our e-mail to Bosch was never answered.

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    Tony Lawrence 4 years ago from SE MA

    We still run the extra no soap quick wash, and half filling the regular wash as you do. This seems to work well for us, so I don't think Peter's theory applies to our problem, though it may for someone else.

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    Gloria Novo 2 years ago

    Same problem....all that's left is the water going into the dishwasher. Could it be something in the water coming from the treatment facility?Anyone with artesian well water drinking bubbles? Actually I notice it in my washing machine with he premeasured detergent.

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    Tony Lawrence 2 years ago from SE MA

    No, I don't think so because the extra rinse does fix it.

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    catsrule1962 20 months ago

    I have been hand-rinsing my clean dishes for several years now and have an LG dishwasher. I truly appreciate the fact that you started this blog, as it has made me feel more "sane". Like you, I wonder how many people never pay attention to their dishes and are drinking soap suds. I am going to try several of the things you have tried, starting with the vinegar washes to clean out the suds. I will also switch to powder detergent and greatly reduce the amount of detergent that I use. Thank you SO much for the time you have taken to keep up with this blog! It will help me tremendously to get rid of the suds and not have to hand rinse and air-dry after every load washed. Thank you, again!!

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    Tony Lawrence 20 months ago from SE MA

    It is annoying and it drove me crazy also.

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    Selny1 17 months ago

    I am so glad I found this thread, and realize that I am not crazy! My Bosch dishwasher was installed in 2004, and I have never had a problem with it until a couple of weeks ago. I started the dishwasher in the morning around 9:00 am, and got a text from my sitter at 2:00 pm that the dishwasher was still running!! I had her pop the door open to stop it, and when she looked inside, the bottom was full of thick suds. After removing the dishes to hand wash (yuck!), I tried running the washer on a rinse cycle which did complete and seemed to have cleared the suds. I then tried running a Regular cycle on the empty dishwasher with no soap pellet, and, again, the cycle was still running over 3 hours later! And, the bottom was full of thick suds again. Another Rinse and Hold cycle completed on its own, and the suds seemed to be gone. This time I called my appliance repairman (who is a certified Bosch repairman), and he said to throw 3-4 Tablespoons of vegetable oil into the bottom of the dishwasher and let it run through a Delicate/Hold (since it is a shorter cycle & would not waste as much water)with no dishes (he said we were putting the dishes in too clean), and that this would break the suds down. The cycle completed and there were hardly any suds in the bottom. Celebrating ensued, but, alas, was short-lived. The next load I washed with dishes (which I left dirty, per the repairman's instructions)' and the soap pellet, resulted in a non stopping Regular cycle with thick suds again in the bottom. Next call to the repairman resulted in him coming out, testing my Jet-Dry and telling me I had a 'bad batch' of Jet-Dry, and that a lot of repairmen had been encountering this problem. He suggested I call the company, and find out if my recently opened bottle of Jet-Dry was part of the bad lot. He also used a syringe to suck out the remaining Jet-Dry in my dispenser. I called the company, and was told that the Jet-Dry I had was not part of the problem batch. And, since I used Finish dishwasher pellets (which contain a little Jet-Dry) and we have soft water, that I did not need to use any Jet-Dry at all in the rinse aid dispenser. To wrap it up, the light has been on to refill the rinse aid dispenser for at least a dozen loads now, and I actually have been using Mrs. Meyers dishwashing pellets to avoid any Jet- Dry in the machine. The dishwasher is still not completing a cycle on its own, and the bottom is full of suds when I pop the door open. I have to use the Cancel/Drain buttons every time, then run one (or two) Rinse/Hold cycles to clean the soap off the dishes. Of course, they do not dry properly. After another call to the repairman where he said that all he could do would be to replace the Jet-Dry dispenser (which I am not even using anymore), and that our water must be too soft, and that we weren't leaving the dishes dirty enough, I gave up and use my 2-cycle system. The water, soap pellets, and Jet-Dry have been the same ones used in the dishwasher since it was installed in 2004, and there has never been this kind of problem until recently! The repairman insists that it isn't the machine itself; the Jet-Dry people insist it isn't their products, but something is wrong! Very frustrating!

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    vgs1895 8 months ago

    OH MY GOODNESS!!! I thought ***I*** was the only one with this problem. I had an older Bosch and loved it. I got this one a month or so ago and have been going CRAZY with the suds. THANK YOU!!!!!! Even though the problem isn't solved, at least I know it's not something I am doing wrong!

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    Tony Lawrence 8 months ago from SE MA

    Yes, it can be maddening. The extra cycle does fix it, but I hate wasting that water.

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    Appalbarry 8 months ago

    Three years later, the Bosch is still going - we hadn't realized how long we've had it - something like seven or eight years. We've stayed with liquid soap, filling about half full, and seem to be avoiding the build up issue.

    I've replaced both pumps, and have become pretty talented at disassembling and reassembling the thing.

    The only problem that seems to have emerged is a strange one - periodically it needs a massive clean out or dishes just don't get clean. It's almost like something has gone kaput and is letting food bits into the works.

    The one specific recurring problem is that the top rack spray arm is constantly getting clogged - usually a grain of rice or something similar gets stuck in the hole at the outside end of the arm, and what ever is in that rack just doesn't get washed properly.

    The only solution is to take of the spray arm and shake it madly in all directions until the offending bit falls out.

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    Tony Lawrence 3 months ago from SE MA

    We bought a new Bosch, more expensive model.

    Same problem. Same fix - extra cycle without soap.

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    TedAP 5 weeks ago

    I found this page looking for a solution for the soap left in the dishwasher problem. I have a lower end Bosch, purchased and installed about a year ago. It's just recently started leaving soap in the bottom of the machine.

    Well, after staring at the dishwasher for a few minutes, I wondered about the stainless steel strainer at the bottom of the machine and the condition of it.

    Upon removal of said strainer, I discovered a very fine mesh strainer as well. The strainer was completely clogged as was the rectangular strainer.

    I've now cleaned both of them and running another cycle of the machine. (some time later...) This seems to have fixed the problem on my dishwasher.

    So, if you have any types of filters or strainers on your particular machine on the drain system, I suggest removing them and cleaning them thoroughly.

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    Tony Lawrence 5 weeks ago from SE MA

    Filters of course need maintenance, but that's not the solution here. New, clean machines exhibit the same issue. It's the low water use that doesn't rinse enough.

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    bommerts 2 weeks ago

    Wow - I thought I was the only one with this problem.

    Had a 5 year old Bosch. Soap bubbles just like you.

    To solve the problem, we replaced it 2 weeks ago with a top of the line Bosch. Same problem still.

    We do the additional light wash cycle w/o soap, too, to rinse off the bubbles.

    I think you're on to something with the lack of phosphates.

    Have you tried adding it back in?

    http://a.co/7nQGoWI

    From this article:

    http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132072122/it-s-not-y...

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    Tony Lawrence 2 weeks ago from SE MA

    Thanks for that article. I might try that.

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    bommerts 13 days ago

    Yesterday I received and tried the TSP that we bought from the link I posted above. I added 1/2 tsp of TSP on top of a full block of a Finish Powerball tab. After running a full normal cycle, we were shocked: The bubbles were down about 80%.

    Today we're trying another 1/2 tsp of TSP but this time with 1 tbsp of cheap lemon powder detergent. Will follow up with how well it works or not.

    So far though, the TSP seems to have reduced the bubbles greatly. So much so that we thought it was acceptable to just drink out of the glasses as-is after a wash.

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