I am a beekeeper and horseman. My wife and I run a small commercial beekeeping operation.
Selecting the Right Size Box Can Be Difficult
One of the first (and often most confusing) decisions that the beginning beekeeper must make is selecting what size of boxes and frames to use for hive bodies and supers. Several options are available. Weight, efficiency, and convenience are the primary considerations when choosing between these different options.
A note on nomenclature: The four-sided boxes used in beekeeping—the ones that hold the frames of wax comb—are referred to as hive bodies, or supers, depending on how they are used. The same box could be used at one time as a super and another as a hive body. To add to the confusion, a hive body is sometimes referred to as a brood chamber. I will refer to both hive bodies and supers as boxes.
Bee Hive Box Sizes
There are boxes of three depths: deep, medium, and shallow. The frames that fit inside the boxes are sized accordingly and are only used in boxes of corresponding depth. In other words, a medium frame would not be used in a deep box.
A standard box holds ten frames. Eight frame equipment is available; the depths for the three sizes are the same as for standard boxes, but the boxes are narrower and will only hold eight frames.
Differences Between Boxes
|Ten Frame Box||Length (Inches)||Width||Depth||Volume,** cubic inches||Weight Full of Honey, Lbs.|
|Eight Frame Box||Length (Inches)||Width||Depth||Volume,** cubic inches||Weight Full of Honey, Lbs.|
Constructing a Hive Using a Double Deep Configuration
In most parts of the country, the tradition has been to use a configuration called a "double deep" for the brood chamber. This is when you stack two ten frame deep boxes on one another. When using this configuration, it's common to use either mediums or shallows for honey supers. The brood chamber is the place where the queen lays her eggs, and the young bees are raised. During a nectar flow, honey supers are placed on top of the brood chamber (thus the name super, derived from the Latin word meaning above); this is where the bees store the surplus honey. The supers are removed when the honey is harvested.
The double deep configuration has worked well for decades. However, many people starting out in beekeeping may find the weight of deep boxes full of honey and bees difficult to handle. Those concerned about weight can choose to use smaller boxes both for the boxes that make up the brood chamber and for the supers.
There is nothing magical about the double deep configuration. The bees don’t care what size the individual boxes and frames are as long as enough boxes are used to provide sufficient space. Notice that three mediums offer roughly the same volume as two deeps, but each box is quite a bit lighter for the beekeeper. Use of eight frame mediums would reduce the weight even further. Eight frame shallows are as light as it gets. I don’t know anyone who has used eight frame shallows for brood chambers, but there is no reason why it couldn’t be done as long as enough are used to provide sufficient volume.
The weights listed above for the ten frame equipment are commonly given in the beekeeping literature. That being said, I use deeps for my brood chambers, and for supers, and I rarely see a box that weighs 80 pounds. Come harvest time I wish that they did. It is best to think of these weights as possibilities rather than the norm. Most of the time, they will be lighter even with honey in them. To arrive at the eight frame weights, I simply reduced the ten frame weights by twenty percent.
You will learn that only nine frames are normally used in a ten frame super. Don’t make the mistake of assuming that this reduces the overall weight of the super. The bees compensate for the extra space by drawing out the comb a bit further on the nine frames. This makes the harvest process easier for the beekeeper.
Weighing the Pros and Cons
Availability was a concern with eight frame equipment, but as eight frame has gained in popularity, it has become more a question of selection. The selection of eight frame accessory equipment is limited; there might be three or four styles of queen excluders available for ten frame boxes but only one for eight frame. Also, if you have eight frame equipment and all your beekeeping buddies have ten frame, then you can’t swap equipment back and forth. Remember, all the other hive components, like bottoms and tops, also have to be sized to eight frame dimensions.
So, the advantage of using smaller boxes is weight. The disadvantages are matters of efficiency, convenience, and expense. Having to use more boxes to provide the necessary volume for the brood chamber means having more frames to go through when performing certain operations, like finding the queen. Smaller supers mean having to add them more frequently to the hive during nectar flows and having more frames to process when extracting honey. Smaller equipment also means having to purchase and assemble more boxes and frames.
To put it in a nutshell, using larger boxes and frames is more efficient, but you pay the price in increased weight. For most hobbyists efficiency is a secondary concern and there is a great benefit in choosing a box size that you can handle. If you always dread working your hives because of heavy boxes, then you are less likely to perform certain hive operations in a timely manner, making successful beekeeping less likely.
So before you purchase your first equipment, make a realistic assessment of how much weight you can comfortably handle and consider that against the convenience and efficiency of larger boxes. Choose appropriately sized equipment, and you will be on your way toward beekeeping success.
This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional.
© 2011 Wib Magli
James Bedford on September 24, 2019:
My Dad was a bee farmer when we were kids and as things change we went on a different path. But now I want to start the bee farming again and I have a question that needs to be answered, it's more like an opinion.
My initial question is just concerning the wooden material used for the boxes but not the frames.
What if I use a steel/iron office cabinet as box for my bee hive?
As we can see that a standard long wooden box can hold up to ten frames, but a iron cabinet drawer will certainly hold more than 20 frames.
My other questions are; How will the bees react to the steel box? Will they be comfortable in it? Would they make more honey or less?
What are its advantages and disadvantages? Is it economical to use it?
Please answer me
Dale Anderson from The High Seas on September 13, 2018:
This was a fun read, thanks for writing it and posting it here,
Andy Sedensky on June 24, 2016:
I made the mistake at the beginning of using smaller 6 frame (9 5/8) boxes, then adding others to accommodate the expansion. Now I have made larger 10 frame boxes. When is it appropriate to move the (bees) frames to the larger boxes? Can I do it at any time?
Primeonly27 from California on April 28, 2016:
Well written hub.
aksem62 on April 12, 2012:
Very interesting. My grandfather was beekeeper, so in childhood I have spent many summer months near beehives. Thank you for awakening of old memories
Wib Magli (author) from Tennessee and Alabama on November 16, 2011:
schoolmarm and Seeker7,
Thank you both. I am glad that you enjoyed it.
Helen Murphy Howell from Fife, Scotland on November 13, 2011:
I'm not a bee keeper but I found this hub to be very interesting. I really enjoy watching bees working away in the spring and summer. Many thanks for sharing. Voted up!!
schoolmarm from Florida on November 12, 2011:
Very interesting - I admire beekeepers! I recently had one out to move a nest from my yard and was very impressed with their skills. Voted up - Thanks!