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How to Adjust Your Door Closer

Updated on October 27, 2015

Door closer adjustment is an art that requires knowledge, patience, and an ability to climb up and down a ladder several times, but with these attributes and the appropriate wrench, hex key, or screwdriver, you can do it yourself. This article is primarily about surface-mounted door closers, but the ideas here can be applied to other kinds of door closers as well.

Most of the adjustments are implemented by opening and closing hydraulic valves. When it comes to turning the screws that operate these valves, a little goes a long way. A turn of five degrees can significantly increase or decrease closing speed.

Do Not Completely Unscrew Hydraulic Screws

You will ruin the closer and void the warranty. Also, hydraulic fluid will leak out of the closer and make a mess.

How Door Closers Work

A door closer is a mechanical device designed to close a door slowly but firmly enough to latch. It accomplishes this by using spring tension modulated by hydraulic fluid. As the user opens the door, hydraulic fluid passes from one reservoir to another. As the spring pushes the door closed again, the hydraulic fluid passes back to the previous reservoir through a series of valves that control the speed.

The illustration above shows the effects of the common hydraulic adjustment controls available on most commercial grade door closers. Controls for swing speed and latching speed control how fast the door closes. Many closers also feature a hydraulic control for back check that controls the last few inches of the opening the door so as to prevent the door from being slammed into an adjacent wall.

  • Swing speed adjustment controls how fast the door closes from fully open to within about five degrees of closed.
  • Latching speed adjustment controls how fast the door closes for those last few inches.
  • Back check adjustment controls the amount of resistance to opening the door past a selected point.

The illustration below shows the various hydraulic control valves. These might be located in many configurations, but you will usually see the back check control located somewhat away from the latch speed and swing speed controls.

There are also door closers equipped with an additonal valve for delayed action. Delayed action closers hold the door open for a longer period of time to allow persons with disabilities more time to get through the door.

Control Valve Placement

Notice the spring tension adjustment in the illustration above. Spring tension controls the "size" of a closer. The term is misleading, because it does not actually have anything to do with the physical dimensions of the closer. This type of size is determined by the width of a door. "Sized" closers—that is, closers that have a factory pre-determined spring tension for a particular door width—have no spring tension adjustment. Many door closers today are "non-sized," indicating that you can adjust the spring tension to fit the size of the door.

It is tempting to use the spring tension adjustment to solve problems—for example, in positive pressure situations where air flow is preventing the door from closing properly. However, the tighter you make the spring, the harder it will be to open the door. It is possible to tighten the spring tension so that some people will not be able to open the door.

Making an Adjustment

To adjust the door closer:

  • Bring a step ladder tall enough so that you can easily reach the door closer from the second- or third-highest step.
  • Climb the ladder and examine the closer. If you can't see adjustment screws, chances are the closer has a cover. Usually the cover is plastic, but it could also be metal. If you see no fasteners holding the cover on, that means the cover is held on by tension. Pull it off. If you do see fasteners, usually you can loosen, but not remove, the fasteners and the cover will slide off.
  • If you find that there is oil in the cover or oil on or leaking from the closer body, stop right now. You need a new door closer. If, however, it is not leaking, you can proceed.
  • Now that you have the cover off, you should be able to see the adjustment screws. If you are lucky, they will be marked on the closer body as to what they are or there will be a diagram inside the cover. If not, you may have to experiment a little to see which is which.
  • Remember, when it comes to turning door closer adjustment screws, a little goes a long way. Start with no more than 1/8 of a turn. Turn the adjustment screw clockwise to slow the door closer down, counter-clockwise to speed it up, then get down off the ladder and observe the effect.
  • Open the door and watch it close. If it closes right the first time, check it 10 more times. If it closes correctly every time, you're done. If not, go back up the ladder and make another adjustment, until the closer is doing what you want it to do.
  • When it closes the way you want 10 times in a row, it will probably continue to do so.
  • Ideally a non-delayed action door closer will close and latch the door in seven to eight seconds.

Problems and Trouble Shooting

  • If you expect a door closer to consistently close the door, the door must be able to close properly. If there is a hinge problem, a warped door, or the door must swing uphill to close, a door closer will only go so far to solve the problem. Sometimes a door must be repaired before it will close and lock automatically with a door closer.
  • In vestibule conditions there is an exterior door, a small space, and then an interior door. The trapped air between the inside and outside door can be a factor in door closing. You may have to adjust both closers to get both to work correctly. Wherever air pressure is a factor, including negative or positive pressure situations, I have have been able to get door closers to close and latch the door consistantly by adjusting them to a slow swing-speed and a somewhat fast latch-speed. The slow swing-speed seems to give the air a chance to get out of the way and the fast latch speed gives it a very slight slam at the end to make sure it latches.
  • If the closer stops closing the door before it's closed all the way, or actually spings back when you try to manually shut the door, the arm is probably installed on the shaft incorrectly. Download the instructions from the door closer manufacturer's web site and see if it is installed correctly.
  • If the arm makes noise and bounces up and down while the door is in motion, tighten the fasteners that hold the arm to the closer, to the header, and at the knuckle that holds the two parts of the arm together.

When it's time to replace your door closer:

  • If oil is leaking from your door closer, throw it away and buy a new one.
  • If your door closer is slamming the door and cannot be adjusted to do otherwise, either the fluid has leaked out or the valve seals are worn out. Either way, your best option is to replace it.
  • If the door closer has no spring tension and the spring tension adustment turns round and round with no effect, the spring is broken the door closer must be replaced.

© 2008 Tom Rubenoff

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      Jess the Door Closer Doctor 2 weeks ago

      Simeon,

      To repair the door closer you will need to remove it from door and place vertically in a vise with valve end upwards, remove valve and slowly pour in a lightweight oil or transmission fluid while slowly working the arm back and forth to burp out the air and let in the oil, when no more air bubbles come out, place valve in closer then remount closer to the door adjust to your desired speed,

      I hope this helps,

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      Simeon 2 weeks ago

      I got a door closer, while adjusting the speed the the adjustment screw looses and the oil spills, how do i fix it, what kind of oil or what grade of oil can I use to fill it back... Thank

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      dan 7 weeks ago

      can someone tell me how to remove the arms off of the closer??

      the Owner wants to deactivate it but wants to leave the closer on the door because of the screw holes.

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      Mirek 3 months ago

      Hi, can I adjust a door closer to keep the door open 90 degrees?

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      Nomo open 3 months ago

      Finally got it. The body attached to the door was upside down. Once reversed, everything else turned inward when the door pulled open and shut firmly after loosening the adjustment screws slowly. Not as simple as I thought it would be.

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      Nomo Open 3 months ago

      Thanks for the response. I used the same mounting holes as the previous owner, because the door material is a hard steel that I don't have any tools capable of drilling into. I already returned one that was doing the same thing, and the hardware guys said it was too stiff to turn and was defective. I don't think that was the full issue, since this one is doing the same thing.

      I have the body mounted on the right side of the door near the hinges on the right, and the arm and plate are attached to the top door frame, just to the left of the body. The arm attached to the body goes out on almost straight out at 45 deg angle but is just slightly tilted left. There's another option to have it angled even further left, but the arm attached to the door frame isn't short enough to connect at that angle. When I pull the door open, if the arm was going to move, it would move right, towards the hinges, based on how it moves when I manually turn it. Does that sound backwards? Not sure what else I can do here to correct it.

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      Jess the door closer doctor 3 months ago

      Nomo, sounds to me that you may have put it up backwards, or the spring may be too strong for the door material,

      Always a good idea to test the door closer arm swing direction before mounting it, you want to make sure the arm will swing away from hinges when you pull against the spring, if it does, it may be the spring is too strong and may need to be adjusted and the bolts "thru-bolted" so the closer will not pull away from the door when opened,

      I hope this helps,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Nomo Open 3 months ago

      I recently installed a door closer to almost exactly the same installation as the cartoon at the top of this page. I can't even get to the point of adjusting the speeds, because once it is fully installed the door will not open. If you try to pull with more force, the body attached to the door looks like it wants to lift up and away from the door from the bottom.

      Hopefully that makes sense, but if it doesn't I could imagine if I pulled the door open in this situation, the bottom two screws of the body would rip out of the door. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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      Jess the door closer doctor 6 months ago

      Lee,

      I would recommend googling about the access laws reguarding clear egress width the door and then measure it yourself, if door opens less then the code, you may want to contact the landlord and tell him or the council for your jurisdiction.

      Another place to ask about access/fire egress is the fire brigade,

      I hope this helps,

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      lee 6 months ago

      I live in an apartment block owned and managed by a local authority.

      The door closing device on my floor was replace but the replacement device seems to be too small or not fitted properly, as it only open and closes at a 70-80 (guessing) degree angle. This has made it difficult to carry in shopping etc, but more significantly I am worried in terms of emergencies; for example ambulances and stretchers as my mother is currently battling illness.

      We have asked on a number of accasions for this to be dealt with. Is there some legal/safety percedures that this is in breach of?

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 months ago from United States

      I have a few questions that I would need the answers for before I answer yours: What kind of door closer is it, and how are you trying to install it? How far do you need it to open? Perhaps you can post a web address for a picture that looks like your door closer?

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      Tame 6 months ago

      I have one of these door closers and I am not sure how to put it on. I am applying it to a exterior door but when I attached it the thing wasn't long enough. What I mean by that is that it does not attach to the other piece. So how/what can I do to make it long enough to fit?

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      Jess The door closer D 6 months ago

      Tom,

      things to remember about Pre-load, if you have too much of it, you LOSE latch valve and your full swing is dependent on sweep screw,

      most of the time a closer is preloaded from between 15 to 45 degrees when arm is mounted, depends on the angle of the pinion and how much travel it has,

      Tom, about the door being stopped by closer due to it reached the end of the rack (piston) I have seen that and it means its OVER preloaded (too much)

      about the door slamming and dampening, that is an indicator of loss of fluid, when a closer loses fluid it will speed up until about 45 degrees or almost all the way shut before it has enough fluid to dampen the movement of the door.

      for a leaker, many options, refill it yourself, send it out and have it rebuilt or just buying a new one to replace it with,

      hope this helps,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 months ago from United States

      My first thought is that the arm not quite right. The latching and swing speeds are all based on the rotation of the spindle. If the spindle is rotated too far, or not far enough, all you might get is latching speed. That is to say, it ain't got that swing.

      This could happen for a couple of reasons. The shoe might be installed contrary to the installation instructions. The forearm (the adjustable part of the arm) might be extended too far or not far enough. Or the spindle might be "pre-loaded" - that is, rotated with a wrench prior to arm installation in order to increase closing force.

      Your best bet is to download the manufacturer's install instructions and make sure all is well with the screw locations. If the arm is pre-loaded, however, that may be because your closer does now have enough power without pre-loading to shut the door.

      Often you can tell if an arm is pre-loaded if you find you can't open the door to a full 90 degrees because the closer stops it.

      Another possibility is that over time your closer has lost a small amount of hydraulic fluid. The swing and latch speeds are controlled hydraulically, so if there is not enough fluid the closer may behave unpredictably.

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      Sudi 6 months ago

      I have a weird situation. The door closes correctly (sweep slow + latch fast) as long as the door is released from the full open position. But if the door is only partially opened and released, the sweep + latch are both too fast and the door just slams shut. What could be wrong?

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      Tom Rubenoff 9 months ago from United States

      Hi Noel,

      Increasing the distance of the closer from the hinge will decrease the number of degrees the door will be able to swing. For example, if the door closer is designed to allow the door to swing open to 110 degrees when installed according to the instructions, it may only open to a 90- or 100-degree angle if installed further from the hinge. Also, the closing force of the closer will be slightly increased in the new position.

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      Noel 9 months ago

      Can the hinge to door closer distance be changed? The installation instructions are very precise. For the installation I am planning I need to move the body of the closer 25 mm further from the hinge to clear an obstruction. How will this affect the operation of the closer?

      Thanks!

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      Tom Rubenoff 9 months ago from United States

      Jess, thanks so much again for your comments. Your knowledgeable answers are wonderful and much appreciated.

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      Freddie S 9 months ago

      Thank you so much, Jess. I moved the body of the closer 1 and 3/4 inches towards the hinge edge. I did not move the arm because I found that the door is easier to open the further away the arm is from the closer itself. It's now working exactly how I wanted....it's no longer staying open and the door opens quite easily. So, once again, thank you!

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      Jess the door closer doctor 9 months ago

      Freddy S,

      Move body towards hinge edge of door, as for how many inches, I would say 1 inch at a time (25mm)

      May also want to bring arm location nearer to hinge as well, or else it will still stay open,

      Hope this helps,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Freddie S 9 months ago

      Thanks, Tom and Jeff. Yes I have the rack and pinion type. It's mounted in a standard installation (with the closer on the pull side of the door and the arm shoe on the frame above it). When you say to move the body of the closer nearer to the "edge of the door" do you mean closer to the hinge edge or the outside edge or top edge of the door? And, right now it doesn't close until it's about 70 degreees open; how many inches /centimeters should I shift it?

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      Jess The Door Closer Doctor 9 months ago

      Hello Freddie S.

      from what I read, you are referring to the rack-and-pinion based hold open, there is a video on youtube that shows just how it works,

      as for disabling it, you can mount closer body more closer to edge of door so it does not engage at the angle it is suppose to engage (most of them its at 90 degrees)

      this video demonstrates the "rack-and-pinion" type hold open,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsxn7N85OQ

      the only other option other then adjusting placement of arm or length of forearm (if its adjustable) is to swap it out for another closer of same bolt hole locations that does not have the hold open function,

      I hope this helps with understanding and how to get it to not hold open,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 9 months ago from United States

      It is a common problem. Thank you for your comment!

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      Freddie S 9 months ago

      Great article, Tom and thank you! I have just read all the comments posted here and am very impressed with your knowledge and expertise. I'm a door closer novice -- I installed my first one today on our powder room door because guests always leave it open after use and I hate seeing the toilet from my kitchen! I just realized that my closer (inexpensive TELL brand) has a Hold Open feature I would like to disable. How can I determine what type of Hold Open mechanism mine has so I'll know whether or not the nut loosening you mentioned as a fix for this problem, is possible or not?

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      Jess the Door Closer Doctor 10 months ago

      Hudson 3331,

      sounds to me that your problem is having to do with proper pre-loading of the arm, when properly pre-loaded, the arm should sit at a V from frame of door or with secondary arm at a 90 from face of door,

      most of the closers will have a series of numbers and a mark on the square shaft of the closer, these are to help position the arm on the shaft according to what type of mounting you are putting the closer up as,

      another thing that could cause the latch to just contact the frame instead of going in, closer spring too weak, to increase it (if this closer does NOT have a spring tension adjustment nut) you move the whole closer about 1 inch to inch and half more away from hinge to give the closer a better advantage to closing (and latching) the door

      hope this helps!

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 10 months ago from United States

      Sounds to me like your door closer is not installed correctly. Either the closer is not located in the correct place, or the arm is improperly installed. Alternatively, the hinges may be bent or the door frame sprung, but at first thought I would guess it is an installation error.

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      Hudson3331 10 months ago

      Hi

      I have a Cal Royal 430P door closer installed. The problem I need support on is it will not shut. The door opens, then swings close but stops a finger or two shy of catching on the doorframe and rests with the doors latch just outside of the doorframe . Any ideas?

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      Quite right, Rod. Usually I hear of transom closers referred to as 'overhead concealed closers' and floor spring closers as simply floor closers, but a rose by any other name will close the door just the same. Thank you for your comment.

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      Rod Fathers 2 years ago

      There are a few other types of door closers, namely transom closers/overhead closers and floor springs/floor closers. Transom closers are concealed units set into the transom of a door frame, floor springs or floor closers are set into the floor near the doorjamb sometimes called the door post. Both of these type closers work generally on the principle of extension or compression of a spring or springs and the drawing of oil into a piston at the same time. The rate at which the oil is released from the piston is the speed at which the door closes. For information and pictures of some historical floor springs see the gallery at www.midlandsfloorsprings.

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      Have you viewed the closer from above? Sometimes covers are held on by hex head cap screws in the top.

      Perhaps your cover is held on by tension, but was put on the closer while there was wet paint on the door. The cover may be held on by the paint. In that case, carefully trace the edges of the over all round with a blade to free it from the paint.

      It would be helpful to know the manufacturer, but you may not be able to tell with the cover on.

      Please stop back and let us know how you made out.

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      Becca 2 years ago

      Hi Tom,

      I have a surface mounted closer that I am trying to adjust, however I can not get the cover off. It's not held on by screws of any type I can see and won't come off when I pull it. Any tips?

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      doorcloserdoctor 2 years ago

      Jeff,

      I just emailed you with some help about the Taymor, hope this helps, I tried to send a comment about it here but at the time hubpages didn't want to cooperate, so found it easier to send an email,

      please read the email, it is from JLD902 (at) aim (dot) com

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Jeff 2 years ago

      Tom,

      I haven't figured out Facebook yet. You can email me at jeff3 at freemars dot org.

      I downloaded one of Taymor's PDF files of specifications for its 600/620 series closers. The photo shows the hexagonal indent on one end just like

      on the 97Y7 I have, but the drawing shows three holes on the other end. The closer I have has hexagonal indents on both ends. I get that the top screw on one end is the latch speed and the bottom screw is the swing speed. I presume that the single screw on the other end is back check.

      Maybe the closers with three holes are adjustable but those with only hex indents are not?

      -- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      I was not able to find anything on the 979 closer online, either. I think photos of the adjustment valves and both ends of the closer body without the cover might be helpful. Can you contact me via Facebook?

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      Jeff 2 years ago

      I can't find specific instructions for a Taymor 979y closer. Taymor's

      website is no help at all.

      The problem is pretty clearly that the spring is sprung too hard. It is

      hard to open the door and once open, it tries to bite the person going

      through. Can the spring be adjusted? Each end of the cylinder has a

      1" hexagonal depression, suggesting a very, very hefty tool to adjust it.

      Also, as the door is being opened, just a few inches wide, it makes a

      thunking sound that I doubt it should make. Not a sharp crack,

      though -- just a thunk.

      -- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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      James Beveridge 2 years ago from Western Australia

      Amazing article and the after discussion.. Quite informative.. :)

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      doorcloserdoctor 2 years ago

      Ruben, your welcome! :D

      glad my help has helped with getting the door to close all the way and to stay shut keeping the heat in and the cold out.

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Ruben 2 years ago

      Thank you for the response. The door does not have a latch, the spring was adjusted and has helped a lot, thank you again.

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      Welcome, Ruben. Thank you, Jess.

      One question I would ask - does the door have a latch to keep it closed?

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      Jess 2 years ago

      Hello Ruben,

      common one I hear these days(before winter) to preevnt the door from being blonw open, do you mean blowout, where the HVAC system makes door open slightly??? to adjust that you will have to haveHVAC mechanic adjust the blower motor speed on the heating/air conditioner.

      if you cannot adjust the HVAC system orhave a guy do it for you, may be a good idea to increase the door closer spring size,

      if its a surface closer, the spring tension is located on teh end of the door closer usually labelled as spring ([/\/\]) or PA (power adjust)

      if its a concealed in top jamb closer (such a Jackson 20-330) you will need to order another closer as they are fixed spring size. ?

      if its a closer concealed in the FLOOR, take noteof the brand, as they are different from brand to brand if you have a Dorma, you can simply use a wrench to adjust the spring tension, (much like adjusting the surface mount closers)

      if you have a Rixson, this one its best to call a door installer, as a special tool with studs on it is required to adjust the spring, if adjusted wrong by end user/owner, owner can get hurt or leak/damage to closer can result,

      if you have a dor-o-matic, these are adjustable as well, but high risk of dirt contamination into the fluid because you have to open a port cap on closer body to gain access to the spring tension adjuster.

      if not sure what you have, please send a picture of the closer?? JLD902 @ AIM. com

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      Ruben 2 years ago

      Is there a way to adjust to keep wind from blowing door open?

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      Thank you, Jess!

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      Jess 2 years ago

      Hello Tom and Lori,

      there is a way to fix the little hold open washer on the screen door closers,

      remove from closer, put flat part (with hole) in a vise, then with a hammer, tap the "tab" part that contacts the tube of the closer, many times the angle is not enough to "bite" the rod to hold it open, also, many of these screen door closers are made overseas and sold to USA, sometimes quality of things made overseas can be questionable.

      another option, buy one of them "touch n hold" type closers, that use a pushbutton on the closer tube itself instead of the washer that you slide down the rod.

      -Jess the door closer doctor

      hope this helps

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      Tom Rubenoff 2 years ago from United States

      Sounds like you have a new screen door or storm door, probably aluminum, and maybe the pneumatic door closer it came with is not so good and is not working properly. Since your door is new, perhaps you can take the closer back to wherever you got your door and they will give you a new closer. If this is not possible you could probably buy a better quality closer and it would not be very expensive. Take the closer with you so that it can be determined whether or not the replacement will fit.

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      Lori 2 years ago

      I have a new door put it on but when we slide the little metal thing on the closer to keep the door wide open and stay open it doesn't stay. What can I do?

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      One of our kids was "The Chocolate Detective." They could find chocolate immediately no matter how well hidden. Against some forces no security measures will avail. :)

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      compu-smart 3 years ago from London UK

      lol at slam the curtains!

      A small set of wind chimes is a good tip.I may just alarm or lock it for the best security measures to protect my fav chocolates!!:)

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Daughters tended to slam their bedroom doors as a means of expression so I threatened to remove the door and put up a curtain. "Slam that."

      A good door closer can also make it difficult to slam the door, but it will not get rid of a squeak. We used to have a small set of wind chimes attached to the front door to mark comings and goings. One could do the same with a cupboard. Yet if the cupboard is bare, I guess it's already too late!

      Thank you, Compu-smart!

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      compu-smart 3 years ago from London UK

      For all those people who will be adjusting or fitting new doors, please make sure they don't squeak because it can be very annoying for neighbors. Having said that, my friend has a squeaky door and when I offered to oil it for him he declined saying, when you have 5 daughters, you wanna know whose coming in and out of the house!. Now, I wish I never oiled my cupboard door which used to be squeaky because I would know who and when my sweets were going missing!

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Thank you, Lauren. The discussion has taught me a lot! :)

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      Lauren Amy Smith 3 years ago from Suffolk

      Thanks for a wonderfully detailed post, voting up :)

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      Jess 3 years ago

      your welcome Tom!

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Perfect! Thank you, Jess!

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      Jess 3 years ago

      Hello Ali and Tom,

      the adjusting (turn on or turn off)of the hold open function all depends on if this is a SELECTIVE hold open floor closer or a factory assigned hold open,

      now some questions, the brand?? (RIXSON?? CRL, Dorma??)

      (on rixsons #27/#28) do you see any holes in the coverplate (sweep, latch, backcheck and HO on-off) if you see 4 screw valves and HO, it is selective and you have to turn the HO to the left to ENGAGE it, turn HO to right to turn it off, this may be hard due to how the internal mechanism is designed. to use the hold open turn the screw full 180 degrees, sometimes you may hear a "pop" sound as you turn it, (dont worry, you didn't break anything, also, USE A FIRM GRIP ON SCREWDRIVER as it might slip out of flat head screw

      if you see just 3 valves (RIXSON) it is factory preset hold open, best to take to a door closer repair service or the factory to have the hold open disabled, most likely they will encourage you to buy a new closer as it is dangerous to service yourself if you have no experience with servicing floor closers (rebuilding them)

      if its a dorma (BTS 75/80, longer narrower floor closer coverplate) they are NOT selective (can't turn it off on at will, the hold open function of the Dorma BTS series is a part of the internal mechanism, same as for Rixson, take to a repairer/factory to exchange for one with NON-hold open function

      now as most of these are EXPENSIVE, I am sure there will be attempts to disable the hold open themselves (and save their money) it is highly recommended the end user/owner NOT attempt repairs themselves, as accidents can happen, floor closer springs are EXTREMELY strong and and not all toolshops/home workshops are equipped with the proper tools that are used in (floor)closer disassembly often too there are times that a person gets it back together, they use it, then it has problems (leaks or something fails) also, DIY on a closer (floor, surface or OHC) may also void the manufacturer's warentee.

      hope this helps,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Ali 3 years ago

      Thanks Tom for the advise ;)

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Sounds like you have a Herculite all-glass door with a floor closer. I know that when these are sold, they are sold either as hold open or non-hold open, so I would advice you to replace your non-hold open closer with a 90-degree hold open version. It may be possible to field convert your closer, I don't know. I do think working with the door closer would be better than adding another piece of hardware if your door is, in fact, all glass with no metal rails top and bottom. If you do have a rail at the top you could use and overhead stop and holder.

      I have taken apart few door closers, but Jess the Door Closer Doctor has much experience in this. She may have more useful advice for you. Check her out at: http://www.doityourself.com/forum/members/174259-d...

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      Ali 3 years ago

      Hi everybody,

      My tempered glass door is already set to stop on 90 degree, the complete open position. Actually I need it to close automatically even on 90 degrees. Here is the question, can I do it by the existing floor spring, or I should add some other ceiling spring?

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Thanks, Jess! I was hoping you would show up. :)

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      Jess (door closer doctor) 3 years ago

      Mark,

      the closer you discrive (code 9N50) that is the UL listings for Cal* Royal door closers, that cap on bottom is just that, a decorative cap to cover up the unused pinion shaft on a rack and pinion door closer, sounds to me you have a worn out O-ring and can be replaced, many find it easier and quicker to reaplce the whole closer,

      many closers these days if you do attempt to change an o-ring on a pinion shaft, it only has a nut surrounding one shaft of the closer, (like most newer nortons and Cal* Royals) and to get to the side that don't have the pinion shaft nut, you must remove the pinion shaft to get to the effected side, and you lose a good amount of oil in the process and also void the manufacturer's warrentee in the process.

      if you have the time and skill for it, by all means go ahead and remove the closer, take to a workbench with a vise and undo the nut around the shaft and replace the o-ring,

      Tom,

      that link is from a site that I have been known to give advice on door closer rebuilding, "DOORDOCTOR" is me, the advice starts at post #9.

      in my feelings, if the person has time, they may be happy to only spend a few dollars on a rubber o-ring instead of 120+ on a new closer of the same model/brand, but I do see your point Tom, not all have time to rebuild or fix a leaker and it's best to buy a new unit.

      I do warn that all closers have strong springs that can hurt you if you attempt to remove them, (one brand including discourages the owners from adjusting the spring, Rixson) due to risk of damage/leak to closer or injury to the person performing the adjustment/repair.

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Actually most of the time there is an exception to that statement of mine. Truth is that I personally would rather toss a door closer than rebuild it but most quality door closer can be rebuilt. I found these instructions here: http://www.doityourself.com/forum/hardware-fastene...

      The writer sounds like my friend Jess the Door Closer Doctor, but I could not tell from the information there. The instructions say to use mineral oil or hydraulic jack oil, but I think any oil designed for hydraulic equipment would work. They also mention replacing the O rings and those can be found at most good hardware stores.

      My reasoning is this: in about the time it takes to rebuild a closer I can go buy a new one, come back, get up on the ladder and have it installed and have a cup of coffee before the next job. The customer gets a new door closer guaranteed for ten years. If I rebuilt the closer I would guarantee it for 90 days. That's why, all in all, I feel we are both better off if I replace it.

      However, if you have the time and the inclination, what have you got to lose? Go ahead and give door closer rebuilding a try. Sounds kinda fun.

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      Mark 3 years ago

      Great article Tom, Thanks. I did have one question. I actually found this article when I googled 'door closer 9n50'. You state that if there is oil leaking from the door closer that you might as well throw it away and I was wondering if there was an exception. There is actually oil leaking from mine but it is coming from what appears to be a loose cap underneath that is designed to be unscrewed and used to refill the reservoir if necessary that perhaps someone loosened to create a little mischief. If I remove this cap and I find that is the case is there any specific hydraulic fluid I should use?

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Mike, I am sorry I didn't see your comment before. The sagging of your door is a problem that is most likely unrelated to your door closer. Most likely something has settled or changed causing your door frame to go out of alignment. Sometimes this happens for no apparent reason; other times it can occur if some0one is, for example, pouring a new foundation next door. Also if your door frame is not securely anchored to a stud or other structural member it may be quite easy the throw out of alignment.

      I suggest that you take a square and a level and see if 1) the inside corners of the door frame are square and 2) if the header is level and both legs of the frame are plumb. If either of these measurements shows your door frame is out of alignment you have found your culprit. I will write an article about how to test and straighten a hollow metal frame soon.

      Craig, thank you. That a person has found one's writing helpful is the highest praise a writer can hope to achieve. I hope that your common door closer problems are over.

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      Craig Davidson 3 years ago

      Thanks, that is a helpful hub- Hopefully I have finally got our communal stairwell door to close properly! Fingers crossed!

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      Mike Yanczysin 3 years ago from Eastlake, Ohio

      Hi Tom - Great information here. Most door service companies I contacted about my standard surface mount closer did not even want to bother with it, or give me any suggestions about my problem, so was happy to find your blog. I have a 36-inch steel entry door that suddenly sagged in the frame, causing it to stick at the top right side. I thought the top hinge had warped, so I replaced it, but the door is still nearly a quarter inch out of plumb with the frame. I see no oil leaking from the closer and the arm does not appear to be sagging, so I'm really stumped as to what would suddenly cause the door to sag that much. Any thoughts?

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      You're welcome, Lexie. Looking over all the comments over the past four (!) years here, writing this hub was the start of an amazing journey of discussion and learning on all sides. I am very grateful for the experience. Thanks for visiting.

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Thanks for that info. I feel the right remedy for buying the wrong closer is not making the wrong closer work, but buying the correct closer. Nevertheless, what you say is true: it is possible to make a door closer behave in a way it is not designed to do by changing the position of the closer body and/or shoe. In fact I admit I have done this myself. Yet it is not the right way, and in my experience the improvised installation of the wrong closer is never quite as good as the standard installation of the right closer. All the best to you, and again, thank you for commenting.

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      Joseph 3 years ago

      Really useful article Tom, your post makes me know my door closer better, but the problem is: my door closer does not have any spring tension adjustment, it has a fixed spring.

      I do not pay attention to this when I buy it, really disappointed because the spring tension is too high and cause it hard to open. Googling around I bump on this article: http://www.uniquestuff.net/how-to-adjust-door-clos...

      I think the author also has the same problem like mine. Curious, I read and practice his tricks by relocating parts of my door closer. I tell you what: It works! I think I should share this with you too.

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      Tom Rubenoff 3 years ago from United States

      Door hardware can be tricky if not downright dangerous. Thanks for your comment, Stan!

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      Stan Murphy 3 years ago from Kansas

      Loved the article. A few years back my garage door tensioner was loose on one side so I decided to tighten it myself. In hindsight, I probably should have had a professional do it, but sometimes pride overtakes common sense. Thanks again for posting this!

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      Tom Rubenoff 4 years ago from United States

      Manufacturers make door closers with closing and latching speeds that are infinitely adjustable within a certain range as determined by the strength of the spring that actually does the closing. Manufacturers base closer spring strength on the force necessary to close and latch a door of a given width. Building inspectors, fire marshals and the American Disabilities Act have standards for closing and latching speeds, but these depend upon the use and location of the door closer. Your best bet is to consult the Authority Having Jurisdiction - your local building inspector or fire marshal.

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      4 years ago

      Thank you for the informative article.

      You mentioned that a door closer will close and latch the door in 7 to 8 seconds.

      Do the manufacturers or any standards or building codes specify closing speeds and times for certain doors?

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      Jess 4 years ago

      Tippy:

      i got it and replied, check your mail!

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tippy 4 years ago

      Jess,

      I emailed a picture of the part to JLD902@aim.com. Is that the correct address? Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

      Tippy

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      Jess 4 years ago

      Hello Tippy,

      thanks for getting back to us about the closer that attacked the guy,

      as you mention the part has 2 prongs on one end, it sounds to me (without seeing a photo) may be an old style forearm that may have snapped in half and hit the man,

      as far as servicing a door closer, only one brand soo far i have seen that warns against repairing the closer body (closer cylinder itself), it is the ryobi doorman (residential series) "no user serviceable parts inside"

      i agree that as time goes, it may be a great idea to have this warning on the body of or the install sheet of the more popular (commercial door) brands (LCN, Norton,Yale, Corbin/russwin, Rixson, Parker and other brands not mentioned)

      some people they figure a closer (commercial)is a basic no-brainer, there's much more to the proper installation/adjustment/repair of a closer besides drilling holes in door and frame and fastening the unit to the frame/door and connecting the arm and turning the adjustments on ends/front to adjust the speed or spring, some even been known to remove the valve screws to find out the hard way their closer is hydraulic, instead of pneumatic.

      a person automatically presumes its pneumatic because of the screen door closers found on many American homes, (hisses as it closes, has one screw, and is tube shaped with a rod on one end and screw on other) they hear the hydraulic type hissing, they think its pneumatic as well and find out when its too late after removing a valve or removing the end plug/end cap to find it has oil inside.

      as for fixing a closer, that should only be done by people who know exactly what they are doing and understand the strength and capabilities of a closer (how easy it is to get injured or damage the door/frame if not done correctly)

      now as to if it was caused by DIY gone wrong or a pro...... I myself has seen successful closer DIY, and seen professional fails, in this case, a photo is worth a thousand words and can explain itself better then words on a blog comment can,

      for emailing me, JLD902 (at) aim (dot) com,

      when I see the photo I will email you back about what the part is, and if I suspect it was done by the end user (owner of the closer) or a door repair guy and his work failed, or if the closer itself failed due to fatigue (worn part)

      hope to hear from you soon,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 4 years ago from United States

      I don't think it is a matter of experimentation so much as a botched repair. It was wrong from several perspectives to install the wrong part. Apparently there was a bad consequence. Not sure what you are looking for here.

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      Tippy 4 years ago

      From what I understand, the wrong part was used (so I gather the spindle, if that's what it was that hit him, either didn't fit or wasn't installed properly). The part that hit him has two prong-like things at one end, if that gives you a better idea of what it might be. I have the photo. Would that help?

      It seems awfully dangerous that someone would experiment with a moving/working part that can generate that kind of force, and operates directly above peoples' heads.

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      Tom Rubenoff 4 years ago from United States

      Sounds to me like we are talking about the screw that joins the upper arm - the part that connects to the drive shaft (spindle) of the closer - and the forearm - the part of the arm that connects to the door. Also it seems like there were a couple of factors at play. First, the screw used did not stay where it was intended to stay, and second, the closer was either out of oil or adjusted improperly so that it had nothing to slow it down. When the screw gave away, the arm snapped back fast, throwing the screw like a projectile with a catapult-like action.

      It's easy to say "should have", but I would have to agree that any such malfunction could probably have been avoided if the closer had had attention from an experienced tech.

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      Tippy 4 years ago

      Jess -

      Thanks for your input. I never realised how complex doors (and door closers) are. Actually, I have nothing to do with the door in question. I'm inquiring on behalf of a friend who was hit by a bolt/spindle/nut? that flew out of a door closer, causing a serious injury. He said whatever it was that struck him knocked him over. What he's trying to determine is whether of not the fact that the store owner repaired the door himself is the probable cause, and if this is the kind of repair that should only be done by a professional. Would most manufacturers provide a warning to that effect? Would doing this type of repair yourself (especially without the authorized part) normally result in voiding the manufacturers warranty?

      Finally, what would cause this bolt or nut to fall out (or fail) in the first place? Obviously, if it had to be repaired, the original part must have fallen out or failed in some way.

      I have a picture of the part in question, if that would help you determine what it is/exactly where it came from. Do you have an email address where I could send it? I'd rather not publish it on this site, since it's not my photo.

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      Jess 4 years ago

      Tom, not only could the wrong spindle cause injury to a person, but cause more damage to the rack and pinion teeth inside the closer, and void the warrentee of the closer (most manufacturers it's 10 years)

      Tippy: this mistake usually is result of end users rebuilding/wanting to repair their closer by themselves, this practice I am aware of can help save the wallet (money) if the person knows what they are doing and how a closer works internally) but due to the spring (as mentioned by tom) the act or rebuilding can put you at high risk of damaging the closer or injury to yourself. also many manufacturers they require special tools to get into the hydraulic cylinder itself (removal of end plugs, seals, and/or the packing nuts) and the oil, that can be messy if the person performing "surgery" on the closer is unaware of the oil, ..it can be a mess if they didn't know that their closer uses oil to dampen movement.

      another problem you may run into, different size bearings, and the diameter of the shaft itself (spindle shaft) and the proper o-ring seals, some brands the bearings are bigger around, some have wider bearing journals, some are narrow, so yes, best to go with a replacement part that is designed to be used with THAT brand and series of closer.

      also using parts that are not made by the brand or for it, (such as if fixing a Norton and using the spindle shaft for a cheapo off-brand closer (using light duty parts in a heavy duty closer) this too, from use can cause the replacement part break (I have seen the pinion shafts break off where it connects to the arm)

      Tippy, is there a problem with a closer causing you to ask the question about the "bolt" (I'm thinking you are describing the pinion shaft or the nut that surrounds it) is it leaking??

      since working on a closer is risky business if going inside the cylinder (no user serviceable parts inside) it's best that if there is a problem, to send the closer to an autherized repair center (New England Door Closer located in West springfeild Mass. or Acme Doorway Technical Solutions, in Ontario if in Canada) a door repair company or a locksmith to have the proper repair performed on it.

      I hope my post helps with this issue,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tippy 4 years ago

      Thanks for responding, Tom. I don't think the door itself caused my friend's injury, but the spindle attached to the swing arm shot out and hit him with a great deal of force, enough to knock him down (am I right in referring to the bolt-looking part at the 'elbow' of the arm as a spindle)? It's probably always a good idea to use only the manufacturer's parts, especially when it involves a moving part that might pose a danger, but are the spindles/bolts themselves that specialized a part that using a similar size bolt would (in your opinion) be unsafe? Would a professional repair person only use a manufacturer's replacement spindle/bolt?

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      Tom Rubenoff 4 years ago from United States

      The spring in a door closer is very powerful. If not slowed by the hydraulic system within the closer, it can swing the arm with force more than adequate to injure a person. Door closers and door closer parts are made of heavy steel or metal castings, and if they fall on you you will feel it. If one replaces a part on a door closer, one should only use manufacturer's original parts.

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      Tippy 4 years ago

      How dangerous is it to replace the large bolt (may actually be the spindle, according to the diagram on your site) on a commercial swing arm door with a bolt/part not specifically made for that particular door? I know someone who was hurt when one of these spindles(?) flew off the swing arm and hit him, and it was not the original part.

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      If you have a door closer on this door, sounds like there is not enough spring tension. If your closer has a spring tension adjustment, you can increase the spring tension. If not, then you will probably have to get either a closer with a stronger spring or one with adjustable spring tension.

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      scott 5 years ago

      my door keeps opening by itself when the wind gets up. What adjustment is there?

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Thanks, Jess!

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      Jess 5 years ago

      hello iread11

      the adjustments, are these near eachother on end of the closer? these most likely are the sweep and latch valves, usually marked with "S" and "L" or "1" and "2" or if this one is from europe, "0-10" and "10-180" GEZE of germany uses degrees of opening to symbolize what valve does what,

      the other one with allen key, if marked with BC, this is backcheck, it adjusts the dampening effect when opening the door past a certain degree. if not marked or has a [vvvv] symbol, this is spring adjustment.

      if you have a photo of the closer, you can send to my email address (mentioned in a comment above) so i can try to identify the closer.

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      iread11 5 years ago

      got door closure no name on it. door slams, two adjustments on top and allen key on right. how do i adjust it. thanks

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Actually Steve emailed me privately and I gave him the same advice. Jess, your advice is always accurate and well researched. You are always welcome here.

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Steve, most of the concealed in the frame closers the hold open is not selective, only way to have it not hold open is to replace it with one that isn't hold open,

      sound to me you may have a jackson or a kawneer husky, possible you can take a photo of it?? (so i can better identify it)

      email is jld902 @ aim. com

      (take out spaces)

      (Tom: i try not to "take over" the site by putting my email here, just trying to help with the closer questions)

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      steve 5 years ago

      How do you adjust the door closer to remove the hold-open option, so that it doesn't stay open?

      Not sure what model I have, but it is concealed and about a year old.

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Jim,

      do you mean the angle of the arm when the arm is put on teh closer (Preload) or do you mean the length of the arm to prevent the arm from contacting the door/frame and causing it to snap??

      better explanation is needed here...

      if you are using a closer that doent have a spring tension nut, adjusting angles of the arm can help with reducing or increasing the strength of the spring to get the latch to work properly or to overcome some situations (provide more or less power in latching)

      or do you mean mounting the arm closer to frame or further away from frame then what the installation instructions say??

      please reply soon,

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Jim 5 years ago

      is it possible to adjust the initial angle of the swing arm?

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Well, it does sound like a problem by design. Door closers are designed to close a door slowly, with minimal noise. But some locking systems are just plain noisy. There is one electric strike I know that releases with a bang, and there is nothing that will help that.

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      Zac 5 years ago

      Hey Tom. This info is precious. Great advice from a generous expert! Hope you get a proper credit for your experience.

      The thread is long and I read many feedbacks but not sure whether anyone has asked about the issue with noisy latching mechanisms.

      My neighbour starts at 3am in the bakery and snaps me out of sleep when deadlock mechanism is released (my bedroom shares the wall with his main door, my bed lines up right in level with his door). Was about to complain and suggest him to use (GENTLY) the actual deadlock key to close the door behind but wonder if there is a way around the snappy latching mechanisms (20 or so doors in the building do the same frustrating thing). It seems that the snapping sound comes due to latching tounge hitting the internal housing on the door side, rather then hitting the metal doorframe. Please save my bedroom to turn into BADroom.

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Thanks, Doctor Jess!

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Moxster and Tom,

      arms loosening up can be a result of no pre-load on the arm during installation or loosening of the forearm segment of the closer.

      to fix, if the closer has a square pinion (where arm attaches to closer body) arm disconnected should sit at 45 degrees to door surface (pointing towards hinges) also make sure that the forearm is at 90 degrees from doorframe when fully closed,

      hope this helps

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Sounds like the closers are not very good quality. I think I would try some Loktite on the screw that attaches the arm to the spindle if it keeps loosening up.

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      Moxster 5 years ago

      Great site mate! I work as a maintenance techncian for a healthcare company and in a few of our homes the arms on the door closers are hitting the tops of the doors and in some cases the arms have dropped so much that they stop the doors from opening. Is it purely a problem with the arm failing? or the arm not being tightend enough on the door closer itself? if i tighten the nut that fixes the arm to the closer it seems to solve the problem for 20mins then it comes loose again. Any ideas. Cheers mate.

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Thank you, Patrick! To know that something I wrote helped someone - this is the ultimate ROI. Thanks again

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      Patrick 5 years ago

      I never comment on blog postings for the most part, but man, this article totally rocked. The door was slamming the from the last few inches at the convenience store that I work at. It's great to know that I was looking for latch speed. While the screws didn't match the layout on the Norton door closer that I have, by process of elimination and a few turns using a pair of scissors (that I used carefully), perfect door shutting. Thank you so much!

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Yes, that's true. However, I did not want people who have never adjusted a closer before to have to try to find which end the spring tube is on closers that have no spring tension adjustment. So I thought I would just tell people that the latch and swing speeds are close together whereas the back check adjustment is apart from those two. Nevertheless I will adjust my drawing to better match reality. Thank you.

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      Mark Braunlich 5 years ago

      The graphic of the closer has some problems. The latch and general speed regulation screws are always on the end of the closer away from the spring tube. The backcheck regulation screw is always on the end with the spring tube.

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Your first step is to go to the K2 web site, identify your closer and download the installation instructions. Here is the link:

      http://www.k2commercialhardware.com/Products/DoorC...

      After you do that, you can begin to find out whether the closer arm is perhaps installed incorrectly, the back check adjustment is too tight or the spring tension is adjusted too high.

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      joelf 5 years ago

      how can i adjust my door closer to open it smoothly, its to hard to open. K2 door closer model

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      My first choice would always be an established locksmith since I come from that background - however, simple door closer replacement is not rocket science. If you buy a good door closer like an LCN, Sargent, Corbin or Norton and follow the directions, there is no reason any person skilled with tools cannot install it. The advantage to hiring a locksmith is that if there are other problems - with the hinges or lock for example - that might be making it difficult for the door closer to properly shut the door, a locksmith is more likely to recognize and be able to remedy these problems because that is what they do.

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      Vman 5 years ago

      I have a commercial sized back door in my apartment building that needs to be replaced (dripping oil, etc). Would you recommended someone with no prior experience to replace the closer, or hire someone with the right tools & knowledge to preform the task?

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Thank you, Mihir.

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      mihir patel 5 years ago

      this was extremely helpful, kept on messin with something else to adjust the door since a year. but thank you again.

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Ray, I have installed thousands of door closers and adjusted tens of thousands of door closers. In addition to that, I've specified tens of thousands of door closers for schools, hospitals, military installations, detention facilities, blah blah blah blah blah. I think I know what I'm doing, but you're welcome to think I don't. Lot's of people know more than I do about door closers. Jess, The Door Closer Doctor, for example.

      Personally my experiences with S. Parker door closers would not make me recommend them, but what is a few closers compared to the thousands upon thousands they have produced over their century of apparent existence? Maybe the few hundred S. Parker closers I worked on were not representative.

      But the reason for my comment, as I recall, is that I called a door closer rebuilding company and they said that S. Parker cost more to rebuild than to replace - like a Global or an International. That's what I was talking about.

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      RAY PLUNKETT 5 years ago

      Tom S.Parker Hardware has been in the Door Closer for 118 years and is far superior to Global and international. You don,t know what you're talking about!

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      Jess 5 years ago

      door closer virgin and tom:

      door closers also are not always an open-then-shut-case either,

      as technology advances, there will always be a door and the need for a device to keep it shut, and as closer tech comes and goes, people will still have questions or concerns about the closer they are faced with, hence why all the questions, most of the questions I receive are about those old potbelly traditional type and sometimes an occasional LCN or Norton or some other modern day unit.

      -Jess the door (CLOSER) doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Hey. Doors swing. :)

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      door closer virgin 5 years ago

      Who knew door closing was such a fascinating subject?

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Behrouz, all depends on what side of the door the closer will go on,

      the door your talking about, is it the kind with the rabbited edge (commonly seen in western europe)??

      some brands of closers come with special brackets and drop plates to be able to attach the door closer on the door especially in uncommon conditions

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      Behrouz 5 years ago

      Hello,

      Because of my door doesn't have top border, is it possible install main part of door closer on door and

      the other part, on wall?

      Best regards.

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Tom, you are correct with the inertia thing having to do with the strength of a door closer on a wide door.

      another factor you want to throw in, the hinges, are they:

      5 knuckle regular hinges??

      a continuous geared hinge??

      ball bearing hinge???

      friction at the hinge also can have a say of how a closer can control a wide or heavyweight door they do say that a continuous geared hinge is best with distribution of the door's weight on the door edge and frame making it easier on the closer to be able to pull the door shut

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      I don't pretend to understand the physics of it, and maybe the Door Closer Doctor will help me out, but what I understand is that the weight of the door is not a factor, only the size. Since the door closer is installed in the same place on any width door, the wider the door, the more leverage the closer will have to overcome. You would think that inertia would play a part, but it if it does, it seems very little.

      Once I did some work in the vault at the Old Colony Bank in downtown Boston. The vault door was an eight or nine foot diameter round, stainless steel door about two feet thick. I was told it weighed about 5 tons, yet it would open or close with a push of maybe ten or twelve pounds.

      My conclusion is that weight is only a factor when the door is not balanced on its hinges. Otherwise the force required to swing the door changes very little based on weight.

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      Nick P 5 years ago

      How does the weight of the door come into effect?

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      Jess 5 years ago

      Travis and Tom, the closer with the button to release is the touch n hold,

      to operate that button, it only works to hold the door open, to relase the door, just pull the door closed or open the door alittle and release the door (it behaves somewhat like the detent hold open (commercial door closer hold open arms)

      travis: i hope this has helped you understand why your closer is acting the way its acting, are you new to the device (as in did you recently install it and wasn't sure if button released the door as well?)

      -Jess the door closer doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      Usually storm doors come with a pneumatic (air controlled) door closer, rather than the hydraulic (oil controlled) ones this article talks about. If your door closer makes a slight hissing sound when it closes the door, this might be a hint that it is pneumatic.

      Pneumatic storm door closers consist of a few parts. There is a shoe that attaches to the door. There is a rod that attaches to the shoe. There is a cylinder that the rod disappears into. There is a bracket that attaches the cylinder to the door frame.

      This type of closer is very light duty. The rod, shoe or bracket can all be easily bent out of shape so that the closer behaves in the way you describe. Also, if the movers dented the cylinder, that would also cause it to stick open.

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      Travis 5 years ago

      I have a home strom door, full glass. The closer has a button to press on the end next to the door. I do not know the manufacture of the door.

      I had to open the door all the way to get a couch out. When I went to try to close the door back, I press the button but nothing happens. How do these things work ? Does it need to be pushed even farther open to release it,, press it twice.. rub it's belly ? help :)

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      Tom Rubenoff 5 years ago from United States

      If your closer is capable of being adjusted to 5 lbs. closing force, you will need a closing force pressure gauge to measure if it is doing so. Three steps:

      1. Purchase a door closing force pressure gauge.

      2. Identify your door closer and get the directions for adjusting it.

      3. If your closer can be adjusted to 5 lbs. closing force, use the directions to tell you how to adjust it and the pressure gauge to verify that the closer is in fact only exerting 5 lbs. of pressure.

      Most manufacturers warn that if you adjust a closer to comply with ADA specs for closing force, it may not actually close the door.

      Best of luck,

      Tom

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Wow.

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      Jess 6 years ago

      Tom: forgot to mention something, I know you mean well with giving instuctions for the adjusting of 1 screw on a closer.

      dorma and GEZE or Europe that have one screw (such as the TS-73 in question) they do not have the 2 functions on one screw valve like found on older Norton 1600's and Yale storefront series closers and Norton 78 and Yale 1900 (traditional style), they use phillips head screw or allen key wrench screws in the valves instead of the special slot valve like found on older norton closers(storefront series)

      also in europe and non-englsih speaking countries, you may find 0º-10º (latch)

      10º-180º(sweep)

      BC/OD (backcheck) the OD is german term for backcheck, ÖffnungsDämpfung, basically means opening dampening.

      another thing european closers will have is numbers such as dorma (1 sweep, 2 latch, 3 is backcheck)

      if its a floor closer, (bodenturschließer) it will have a colored graphic near the valve showing what each valve does,

      all european closers have the [/\/\/] symbol, this is spring tension adjuster, commonly found on the "long end" of the unit

      hope this helps, I don't get many overseas questions too much, but they are welcome to ask questions about their closers (I am in the USA)

      Tom, hope this extra comment has helped in dealing with non-American closers,

      -Jess the door(closer)doctor

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      Jess 6 years ago

      Hello Tom and Jim

      Jim, it sounds to me you are in the UK or somewhere that has the European style door closers (slide off coverplate on front)

      the TS-73 may only have one valve, it will be on the "short end" of the closer body, there also may be a nut or an allen key hole on "long end" with a [vvv] symbol, that is for adjusting spring tension

      this valve you see is sweep (large part of door swing) latch is adjusted by adjusting the length of the forearm segment (I assume this dorma is installed on pull side of the door?)

      if NO slamming with valve closed, open the valve half turn at a time to and test door

      about the fluid, what I would do is clean off the oil with a rag and test door, if you do take the valve out past a certain point (even it its still in the threads) it can cause a leak because when its past a certain point (counterclockwise turning) the o-ring cannot seal it properly since o-ring is not on a flat surface inside it would be contacting the threads inside the hole the valve is in instead.

      if after adjusting properly and the o-ring still leaks alittle fluid, yes, the o-ring should be replaced and fluid put in the closer.

      depending on age of this closer (warrentee) it may be replacable by dorma, if you still insist on doing the repair yourself, it can be easilly done, although you will have to remove closer from the door to take care of the oil and replacing the o-ring on the valve.

      please respond if and when you can Jim, please let me know how my ideas work out with this closer's problem

      Tom, hey, have not heard from you in a while, keep in touch and email me if and when you can miss hearing from you,

      -Jess the door(closer)doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      I have known door closers that have only one adjustment screw that controls both the swing and latch settings. Some of them worked by screw position - the screw being horizontal at "three" and "nine" on a clock face would indicate a certain speed and the position at "eight" and "two" would be a vastly different setting. Some of them would adjust the swing speed if you turned the screw slowly, the latching speed if you turned it fast.

      A little should go a long way. Try turning the screw a tiny fraction of a turn clockwise and then test the closer ten times. Repeat and repeat until you notice a trend.

      Unscrewing the screw (counterclockwise) would usually make it slam harder, so you want to try to keep turning it in a clockwise direction in very small increments.

      However, since you backed the screw out too far (indicated by oil seepage), it may all be too late. Door closers moderate speed using hydraulic (oil) pressure. Any release of that pressure will compromise the closer's ability to gently close the door.

      If in all positions and degrees of tightness of the adjustment screw the door continues to slam, this indicates that the internal seals of the closer are shot.

      Let me know how you make out and in the mean time I'll investigate whether you can rebuild the closer with new O ring out of the hardware store like Jess the Door (Closer) Doctor does.

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      Jim 6 years ago

      Hiya, and cheers for the info here. I have an issue here with a Dorma TS73. Its slamming blimin loud.

      From what I can tell its not a 'V' series, or one of the 'E' series either. Perhaps older.. so there are no manuals around that I could find.

      What differentiates it, is that there are no adjustment screws on the large facing panel that slides off. Only fastners. And at the end is only 1 adjustment screw. Not two like most tutorials... So I've been mucking around with that without noticing any monitorable results. I undid it a fair way at one point and noticed oil seeping out, but I'm hoping that was my loosening, rather than a leek.

      Any tips on how to proceed?

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      Adrian 6 years ago

      Thanks - job done!

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      That's a great point, Jess! Right on the "mark" as usual! Thanks again.

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      Jess 6 years ago

      hello CR and Tom, also another thing that can effect a closer installation, the PRELOAD of the arm, although some older closers do not or may not have index mark on spindle or the arm, if it's a hex shaped spindle (thing the arm connects to on closer body) preload it by 15 degrees, if it's a square spindle, preload it to 45 degrees. (preload is important for the proper adjustment and position of sweep, latch and backcheck (and backcheck selection valve such as found on LCN 4040 and norton 7500/7700's) during the closer's closing/opening cycle when controlling the door.

      sorry if confusing to you CR and Tom, I hope this tip helps.

      -Jess the door(closer)doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      It sounds like the arm is not installed correctly and the closer is installed in a parallel arm mount. In parallel arm mount, the upper arm should be parallel with the door. I suggest downloading the installation instructions from doromatic.com.

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      cr 6 years ago

      Hello all,

      I have a sc71 closer tried adjusting it reinstalling it pretty much everything to see if i can use it still. It seems that it has a mind of it's own and likes to open and close whenever it want's any help would be nice thanks !!!

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      I could not find a model 884 on International's site:

      http://www.intldoorclosers.com/

      ... but did find it on an internet hardware dealer's site:

      http://www.mrlock.com/28747.html

      ... that indicated it is no longer available, but it is a size 4 that would be appropriate for a 36 inch exterior door under normal conditions. Probably it has had high traffic for a number of years and the spring is starting to weaken. It is not adjustable to a higher spring tension. Most door closer rebuilders would not rebuild this closer. I suggest that you replace it with a grade 1 closer such as the LCN 4111 or the Norton 7500.

      However, while this will improve the situation, no closer will ensure that your door will remain closed against a wind. You could install a latch, like the Adams Rite 4510, in your front door. Then at least you could manually shut it and it would stay shut. You could install one of those clear, insulating curtains over the overhead door opening to decrease the air flow. One or both of these measures would help ensure that your door remains closed.

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      Jim 6 years ago

      Tom, First i want to thank you for all of the helpful information. I have a problem with the door at our business though and have not been able to figure this one out yet. The building supply house typical tip up with alum commerial glass door. When the rear reciving doors are open and the wind gets to gusting around here it always blows the front door open. The closer is an international Door Closer model #884. I have adjusted this the settings and arm length till Im blue in the face with no success. I dont find a spring tension adj on this thing.Its on a 36" door is it maybe undersized? Locking the door is not an option with fire laws,customers and all.Any info would help. Thanks

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      Jess 6 years ago

      Don and Tom, about the hold opens, what type of hold open is it, there are 2 different types used on closers these days

      are you using LCN HEDA (friction hold open usually a big nut on frame bracket or "elbow" joint if the closer is one of them vintage "traditional" potbelly style closers) or the H-CUSH arm(detent hold open mostly seen on LCN 4010 series, uses a ball bearing and a plunger to hold the arm at an angle)

      if it's a friction hold open, it simply can be just a matter of tightening the arm nut at the hold open area of the arm, if it's a detent hold open (H-CUSH arms) then the forearm and 5 hole soffit plate (also known as the parallel arm shoe) needs to be replaced

      hope this helps your problem Don,

      -Jess the door(closer)doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Sounds like your door closers have hold-open arms that have worn over time. Usually these arms can be adjusted tighter or looser to hold the door open at different points. What brand of door closer are they?

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      Don 6 years ago

      Hello Tom,

      Thanks for the site. The door closer at our church will not lock in order to keep the door open. They did lock at one time, but now they will not. Is there an adjustment to keep the door all the way open?

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      WallStickerDecals 6 years ago from US

      I absolutely learned a lot from this hub.

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Positive pressure can be a tough nut to crack. Tomorrow I will poll my colleagues about this problem and see if I come up with new insight.

      The way I was able to solve the problem was by having the swing speed super slow and the latch speed fairly fast - not quite a slam, but almost. Then I pre-loaded the arm a little so that the actual latching arc was very small, only about two inches.

      I will be back tomorrow with whatever suggestions my colleagues come up with.

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      D.C. 6 years ago

      Thanks Tom - I've been increasing and decreasing speeds and powers all night lol! The problem here is the forced air is constant. We have heated blowers installed and with all the other doors closed, when one is opened the air flow is extremely forceful. It's an everyday occurrence that someone coming in loses a tightly fitted ball cap off their head. I attempted to decrease the swing speed just now, but with the air flowing past the door just stops about halfway closed.

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Thanks, D.C. I have found positive pressure to be very tough to deal with. But instead of maxing out the power and speed, a recommend increasing the power moderately and decreasing the speed. I suggest having the swing part of the closing cycle go very slow - maybe 8 or 10 seconds - then play with the latch speed, maybe slower, maybe faster. Your closer needs to let the air go by rather than fighting it. Let me know how you make out.

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      D.C. 6 years ago

      Hey Tom - First, let me say this article is extremely helpful. I've got a pretty common problem, but it's at an extreme level. The warehouse I manage has some serious positive forced air. I followed your steps outlined here, however the closer just doesn't seem to have enough closing power to counter the air pushing it open. I maxed out the closing power, maxed out the swing speed and the latch speed but this was not enough to get the door closed. The closest it came was about 4 inches. I've also tried to slow down the swing speed as you suggested, but that had about the same outcome. Any suggestions? Do I need a stronger closer than LCN 4041?

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      I'm glad you found the article helpful. Sometimes I've found door closer arms installed incorrectly so that they hold the door slightly open or won't let it open all the way.

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      Jeff 6 years ago

      Thanks for the illustration above and explanation. The door at my work would not stay closed all the way and kept "blowing" open a little and setting off our door alert for us that a customer has come in.

      So what fixed it was actually shortening the door arm. It made it where it held the door tighter against the frame.

      Thanks for the help.

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      An excellent result!

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      SangHee Kim 6 years ago

      This article is very helpful to me. This closer is little bit different with Korean's. Anyhow, I fixed crash sound in office. Thank!

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      Jess 6 years ago

      it was a matter of fact that the middle school was lucky to have at least a couple of maintenance men who took some locksmithing courses or have went to LCN factory and took the courses on servicing door closers, now(to this day) i have no idea if they still rebuild them. when they last rebuilt them it was between the years of 96 and 98, but yes, it was VERY cost effective, most that would be by-product from the act of closer rebuilding was maybe a bad o-ring and the closer fluid, (which has to be disposed of properly according to jurisdiction laws regarding hazardous waste, yes, oil is considered hazardous waste)

      since I was a student at the school, I only got to see was only one thing, an LCN 4040 (std edition, not XP) in the bench vise, looked like it was about to get its valves or end cap removed for drainage of oil.

      If at all possible, (I don't have a hubpage) but when you are ready to write the page on rebuilding vs replacement (so I can help you if you want me to, and possibly with graphics or photos of different closers) can you email with me??

      if you want to do that, email me at JLD902(at)aim(dot)com others with closer problems are welcome to email me as well, i don't bite or mind answering questions on different types of closers.

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Absolutely, if an institution has an on-site shop and a person of your expertise, Jess, it can work out very well and be very cost effective. I will write an article about it and talk about when it makes sense to rebuild and when it does not. And YOU can come and straighten me out if I get anything wrong. :)

      Thanks, Jess.

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      Jess 6 years ago

      ok now I understand,

      as for rebuilding vs replacement: I personally favor rebuilding, I went to a middle school that used to rebuild their units in house.

      here's how I see it, why spend 130+ dollars for a new closer when you can buy an o-ring kit for maybe 5 to 10 dollars at the most) at an auto parts or hardware store and fix the leaker yourself?

      many places (as for internal parts of them) LCN and even the various closer repair shops, they do not provide any replacement parts to the end user because of the risk the company will expose themselves to in case the end user (owner of closer) gets hurt or damages their closer in the process of making the repair.

      also during your article, you will want to be careful about the info released, because there are trade secrets that LCN and the respective companies want to keep secret to themelves, even though a door closer is a simple machine and is easy to understand once they figure it out, but if the trade secrets are released online, the companies that make them and those that repair them, could have a huge drop in business and higher risk of injury.

      so please, careful with the info and all others, careful with closer DIY

      -Jess the door(closer)doctor

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      I drew the graphic at random, illustrating the usual placement of the backcheck valve away from the latch and swing speed valves. There is a really wide variety of placement of these valves on different closers.

      I will write another article about the relative merits of rebuilding vs. replacing leaking closers, but the gist of it will be that a closer that you rebuild yourself has no guarantee at all; a closer that you have someone else rebuild is usually guaranteed for a year; and a new, grade 1 closer will come with a 10-year guarantee. That's the main reason I favor replacement.

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Thanks, Jess, for all your input.

      As I said, "The illustration below shows the various hydraulic control valves. These might be located in many configurations, but you will usually see the back check control located somewhat away from the latch speed and swing speed controls."

      I think that about covers it. They are located in different places on different closers.

      Thanks for dropping the New England Doorcloser name. That's a good resource.

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      Jess 6 years ago

      hi Tom, i may be able to help with mr Igwe's issue, if you are in canada, theres a guy that runs a company called door closer exchange (east toronto canada) if you are in the contagious 48 states, there is oodles of places that rebuild or fix door closers, if you are on east coast there is a place called New

      England Door Closer, located in west springfield Ma.

      Tom, i also notice something, may be an error, on the graphic showing locations of door closer adjustment valves, (im personally an expert in fixing door closers, fixed them during my high school years in the schools i went to)

      the graphic i sadly will say, you have the adjustment screws reversed from what they really do, the adjustments between the spring tension and closer arm shaft is the backcheck, on most closers the sweep and latch will be located close to each other on other side of closer body (between end cap and shaft) those will be your sweep and latch, latch being the one closest to the end of closer body, and sweep being the one between the last screw and closer arm shaft.

      also about leaking valves, the o-rings are replaceable and closers are not totally a disposable-buy-a-new-one type of device

      if and when possible, can you fix the graphical error??

      (sorry if i may be wrong, the graphic closely resembles an LCN 4010, being i have been around these since i was 12, practically an expert in closers

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      The best thing to do is to call the door closer manufacturer and get the name of a distributor, then call the distributor and get the name of a hardware dealer near you who sells your closer. They will know who to direct you to in your area.

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      Nnamdi Igwe 6 years ago

      I have some defective overhead door closers that I will like refurbished. Could you direct me to a company that could do it?

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      First, check to see if it is leaking oil. If it is leaking oil, adjustment will not help. The closer will have to be replaced. If it is not leaking oil, find the adjustment screws as described above and try turning each one of them just a little in a clockwise direction. One of them should slow the closer down.

      If you can figure out what company manufactured the closer, you might be able to download installation instructions from that company's web site. The installation instructions would include details on adjusting your specific closer.

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      Ron Thompson 6 years ago

      the security door at my apartment complex slams so hard it knocks things off my walls, how can i ajust it to not slam as hard

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      palwinder kaur toor 6 years ago

      i am very very thankful to yahoo who help me in founding information about the door closer and complete my project

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      Tom Rubenoff 6 years ago from United States

      Sorry, Cowboy, Parker is one of the cheapest closers on the market, right in the ballpark with Global. You could probably get an International to replace it fairly cheaply with a slight step up in quality. That's what I suggest.

      You could also loosen up the arm a little by lengthening the forearm. That will decrease its strength, so reduce slamming. But if you do, it might not always close the door.

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      Cowboy 6 years ago

      I have a Parker hydraulic closure that slams shut. I tried adjusting, but nothing changed. It may be low on fluid. Do you have any other recommendations?

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      Ben 6 years ago

      Hello, I recently bought a door closer and undid one of the speed ajustments a bit too much, it fell out and so did some of the red hydrolic fluid (quite a lot). It still works fine but should I consider replacing it? It won't, explode, will it?

      Please email me with the response at benedict.neo@btinternet.com

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      You are multi-talented, Luiz Antonio! Thank you.

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      luizantonio 7 years ago

      Hi, Tom, here I am again. I tried dismantle a Dorma floor door closer, and did it. I fixed it after search its trouble. It was a problem in an o ring set in the 15° closing velocity. I changed them, cleaned all parts, reassembled them and ... voilà!, the piece is working well. I wrote a step by step procedure beginnig from the dismantle, inspection, cleanning operations, and finanlly reassembly, with drawings and pics. This thing totalize 7 Word .doc pages, and I'm asking you if you want take a look over them and if eventually they would be usable. If yes, tell me how send them to you. If not, I'm thank you for your former instructions. Best regards. luizantonio luizantoniocastro@ig.com.br

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      Please email me, Chris, and I will send you some info.

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      Chris 7 years ago

      Tom, do you know where I can find some helpful info on the Sargent 43V "pot type" door closer,, I have an old one in my garage for the door to the kitchen,, I need to tune it up,, or get it refurbished. Thanks, Chris.

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      Be sure to wear safety glasses!

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      luizantonio 7 years ago

      Hello, Tom, I respect your knowledge in this field and several people have said things in the same direction. Concerning to the spring tension at the moment of opening the case, I have to take care of it. I think I can fix the door closer in my shop (there is a lot of tools). I have to think about to reload the spring before reassembly it in the case. I'll tell you about, if I survive.... Thank you very much Regards LA

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      I do not recommend attempting to repair it, but if such a tutorial exists, it would be through Dorma.

      You might find more info here:

      http://www.dorma-usa.com/prod/door_hardware/concea...

      Or you can contact Dorma:

      http://www.dorma-usa.com/Contact/index.html

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      luizantonio 7 years ago

      Hi, Tom, I've a question to do about where can I find explanations about to fix a floor closer from Dorma model 75V? Let me say the problem: the oil leaked from one of the adjustment valves. I'm going to repair it (or try to do so...) and need a tutorial concerning this matter. Thank you for all. B. regards luizantonio

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      I believe you are describing a Herculite, or all glass, door. These doors usually require concealed door closers.

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      George Gonzalez 7 years ago

      Hello Tom, I have a Glass door with no frame, can I install a door closer against a 90 degree wall? Thanks

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      Usually on an aluminum screen door the latching action is actually in the strike, but if you have a wooden screen door, you may have a tubular latch. In that case, it is probably a matter of simply lubricating the latch itself with a little silicone spray. I have noticed that sometimes latches develop a kind of adhesive quality for no particular reason, sometimes. Give the latch a little spritz of silicone spray and see if it doesn't do the trick. Oh, an please let us all know. Thanks!

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      Jason 7 years ago

      Hey Tom,

      We have a screen door that closes until the latch hits the frame of the door and stops the door. Normally the latch should retract to allow the door to close, but it doesn't seem to work. We have to use the door handle to retract the latch so that the door is actually closed. What might the problem be?

      I posted this here because the door also slams in that last few centimetres, but I think by adjusting the latch speed I should be able to solve that problem.

      - J

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      kae 7 years ago

      thank you so much for the article, it helps!

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      sld 7 years ago

      thanks for the info. the door closer on my door needed attention cause the screen door slammed. the old/original one just allowed the door to close so so rapidly that i was worried that the door would come off the hinges. the original cant be repaired so i will just replace it.

      thanks a whole lot for the nice article

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      Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

      It's pretty hard to beat a 10-year warrantee. Thanks, Will!

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      Will 7 years ago

      Brilliant Advice on door closers ,i have seen some shocking installations by people who just do not know how they work ,If anyone wants a great brand you cant go past LCN closers in my opinion they are the best on the market

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      There's the noise, the damage to the door, the lack of security - all good reasons to keep door closers in good repair. Thanks Jama!

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      Joanna McKenna 8 years ago from Central Oklahoma

      Wish this hub had been there to refer to when I had to adjust the closers on storm doors that came with houses I lived in. Or when the door to the apartment across the way was so far off that it made a horrible scraping sound each time it was opened or closed and our maintenance men were clueless. (It did get fixed after residents *two floors below* complained about the noise, but you bet I was tempted to take the blasted thing off its hinges myself!)

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      Thank you, United! It's knowledge gained through decades of adjusting door closers.

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      United Locksmiths 8 years ago from England

      This is a great information. Thanks a lot!

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      I am glad you found it helpful!

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      terrowhite 8 years ago

      Good instruction! Great job......I appreciate you.

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      Seemed to fit well in a comment, I dunno. Maybe there's a hub in there. Factory production lines are pretty fascinating.

      No, I mainly worked on doors and the occasional steel gate, and every once in a while a safe. It was fun enough, for a job.

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      Pest 8 years ago from A Couch, Lake Odessa, MI

      Tom, we used door closers to to slow free falling racks on line at a factory i worked maintanence at. the rack would free fall at 45 degrees and the stopper mounted in line would catch the rack , open slowing the rack and gently easing it back to a plane, then "close" for the next rack. Or should I have made another Hub about this. I am always so outta place... :rolleyes: wondered if you have ever seen this before? I was told this was unique to the F*rd line I was maintaining...pretty simple huh?

      I have TWO screen doors.

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      Thanks, Eric. I will happily have a look.

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      Eric Graudins 8 years ago from Australia

      @Pest - Screendoor, eh? If you want to keep bragging about the upmarket features of your home, ferrcrissakes do it on your own hub!!

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      Eric Graudins 8 years ago from Australia

      Hi Tom,

      This is a very comprehensive hub on a little understood topic.

      I see you are a locksmith.

      Would you care to comment on a hub I wrote some time ago, about bump keys?

      https://hubpages.com/living/bumpkeys

      Cheers, Eric g.

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      How much will you have to shorten it before it becomes a summer?

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      Pest 8 years ago from A Couch, Lake Odessa, MI

      I have a door closer on my screen door. It is a long spring and every six months I have to shorten it a bit because it gets stretchy like a broken slinky...

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      Tom Rubenoff 8 years ago from United States

      Ah yes, the famous positive or negative pressure problem. Very difficult to solve!

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      k@ri 8 years ago from Sunny Southern California

      Maybe I read the wrong hub? :)

      I wish I had information a year ago! I lived in a locked entry high rise and they "fixed" the door to the garage, which wasn't shutting due to air pressure. After the "fix", most of us couldn't open the door!

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