Are You Being Eaten by Invisible Bugs?

Updated on January 8, 2016

If you are being plagued by invisible biting bugs, you have come to the right place. Although I do not know what was infesting our family, our home, and our lives, I'm sharing what we did to help get rid of them.

Freedom was NOT an overnight thing or something that came quickly or easily.

If none of the recommendations on this page help you, it is my wish for you to never to give up the fight. You must pray for courage and strength and go into attack mode on this 21st-century plague.

Maybe you thought the bugs were going to go away on their own. Maybe you question if it's really happening.

You have rashes. You feel bites. It feels like something is crawling around your face, head, and hairline. You can't find any answers on the Internet, only more questions.

You find many products claiming that they can get rid of these mites but after trying a few, some of which might be high dollar, you begin to lose hope. The companies may even put you on their mailing list, sending you emails that use terror to get you to order more products in greater and greater quantities.

I know what you're going through. Initially, my family also ordered a ton of online remedies but they were all a waste of time and money. Instead, healing only came once we made a plan and stuck to it.

Don't give up hope. Please know that you can and will feel better, but you cannot give up hope.

Unable to find answers on the Internet or from doctors, I went frantic trying to get someone to believe me and felt terror at the thought that I would never rid myself or my family of the mites. I fell into a deep depression because I felt so helpless, at the mercy of something I couldn't even see.

With persistence, however, I beat them. You can too.

The Bite-Mite Protocol

I will not go into detail of how this started or how doctors ignored us. Instead, I will tell you how I was able to rid my family of five (including myself) of these invisible biting mites. This is the protocol that we used.

Permethrin Cream

Permethrin is an anti-parasitic that can treat head lice and scabies.

Though the creams seemed pretty much useless in ridding ourselves of the mites completely, they did help keep the mites off of us. Sometimes it seemed to make the mites mad, and they bit worse, but eventually they died. We were able to use the permethrin cream to get the mites off of my five- and six-year-old children.

Warning: Do not try to use the cream more often than prescribed. I did this once trying to get a good night's sleep and woke up very sick. I thought I was going to pass out but luckily I made it to the shower. I felt better after I washed it off, but I could still feel the toxic effects.

I realized that Windex original does kill the mites, but you need to spray a lot of it. You will need a respirator from a hardware store — the kind that is used to spray pesticides. Spraying everything in our house seemed to bring the number of mites way down.

  • Use the Windex to spray out your cars, homes, and work area wherever you work. I work in an office building, and Windex did not look out of place there.
  • When you spray your home, make sure to reach the ceilings, walls, floors, and every nook and cranny.
  • I would spray my car as I exited, since it isn't really safe to drive with a mask on, and it can bother your eyes if you spray too heavily with the Windex and then immediately enter the car to drive.

What to Avoid

I did try spraying with plain ammonia, but the results were not half as good as Windex. Also, you need to be careful of mixing bleach with Windex because the Ammonia-D in it and the bleach will make toxic fumes. Do not spray these chemicals right after each other.

Though the Windex did not stain our off-white carpet, you should still use caution when spraying it on light-colored items of value.

Listerine

As you probably already know, regular showers with soap, water, and shampoo have no effect on the bugs.

I found that spraying original Listerine on me in the shower from a spray bottle helped rinse the mites off. It seemed to bother them enough so they let go. The crawling feeling would also go away so I could sleep better and concentrate at work.

Listerine may also help wash off scents you are marked with, or at least disrupt pheromone communication between the mites.

  • In the shower, I would back away from the water, spray myself with the Listerine, and wait as long as I could before I rinsed it off. The first times you do this, it seems to burn. You might try diluting it with water at first if need be.
  • Spray the shower floor with Windex after showering because the Listerine doesn't seem to kill the mites and the shower floor was covered with ones that were washed off but not killed.
  • Spray your feet several times (while in the shower) because a lot of mites seem to try to hold on to your feet and they will become infested.
  • Also, after a few days of sitting, the spray bottle seems to weaken the strength of the Listerine, so make fresh batches regularly.

Ivermectin

Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic that can treat infections caused by roundworms, threadworms, and other parasites. It must be prescribed by a doctor.

After we started to use Ivermectin on a weekly basis, we noticed a big difference.

Tell your doctor to prescribe it for you since it is now considered a first line of defense in dealing with sarcoptic mites. If you do start using it, make sure to not drink any alcohol since it can cause serious reactions.

I had read about people getting good results after they stopped eating sugar so I decided to give it a try.

After about two to three days I noticed a big improvement and so did my wife. If possible, start a candida diet. The mites seem to be attracted to people with infections or fungus problems.

Some Recommendations

  • A basic candida diet means avoiding sugar, alcohol, grains and glutinous foods, fruit, starchy or sweet vegetables, processed meats, dairy (except butter), and beans and legumes (as well as a few other things).
  • Easy sugars and carbohydrates to cut out of your diet include any sugar you're adding to drinks, or consuming in drink form (including smoothies, fruit juice, and sugary coffee drinks), all forms of bread and desserts, and almost all snacks (like dried fruit and nut mixes, chips, and candies.)

Improve Your Immune System

Some people who have had problems with these invisible biting mites also are immunosuppressed. My 15-year-old is on immunosuppressive drugs, and I feel that also led us to have more problems with getting rid of the bugs.

Increasing your overall health means getting as much sleep as possible, eating well, and engaging in regular exercise.

Some Tips on Sleep

This is a hard one because these mites really disrupt sleep patterns.

  • Showering with Listerine (as mentioned above) right before bed seemed to help a lot.
  • Sheets need to be washed daily (see below).
  • Spray the plastic cover of your bed a few times a day with Windex and wipe it off afterwards. Be sure not to spray right before bed!

Cleaning Tips

  • I cleaned every possible surface with Windex.
  • I tried sprinkling many different things in our carpets. Borax seemed to work the best.
  • Don't forget to sprinkle it on the car carpets too.
  • I mopped with 20 Mule Borax. It made our hardwood floors look terrible, but gave us good results with the mites. You can find it at the grocery store near the laundry detergent because it is listed as a laundry booster.
  • It also helped to put borax in my shoes since they would quickly get infested.

Laundry Tips

These things breed in dirty clothes. The biting after doing laundry was unbearable until I figured out the washing routine. Here's what I recommend:

  • Bag and seal dirty clothes in trash bags until you're ready to wash them.
  • Wash clothes with bleach, detergent, and 20 Mule Borax in every load.
  • Try not to drop the clothes out of the bag into the washing machine from a high distance. This could cause mites to be carried back to your face and head on the displaced air.
  • Throw away used trash bags quickly. Do not reuse.
  • Using the dryer and drying clothes for long periods of time didn't work to kill the bugs.

Bedding

  • Get dust mite mattress covers with a zipper and seal up your mattress.
  • Spray it with Windex several times during the day and pull your bed away from the wall.
  • Some people have to throw away their mattress and get an air mattress until the mites are gone since air mattresses are easier to clean.

MSM Cream

MSM is a chemical found in plants, animals, and humans. It can also be made in a laboratory and people use it as a medicine for a variety of ailments.

We found that making an MSM cream was very effective. You can find all the ingredients you need at a vitamin store or pharmacy. Here's how we did it:

  • Mix one-part powdered MSM to 12-parts hand cream of your choice with 1/2 teaspoon of tea tree oil. Microwave for 15 seconds and stir.
  • Apply cream all over your body to dry out and repel the mites.

Any person or animal you can remove from your environment is one less host for these things.

Luckily for us, my mother was able to watch my two younger children, take them to school, and pick them up from school for three to four months while we worked on eliminating the bugs.

If you're able to do something similar, you should.

Ozone Generators

An ozone generator is a machine that creates ozone, which is a type of oxygen molecule.

Ozone generators have proven to be a great source of help to those who use them. I've never used one but people who do see results rather quickly.

Use caution because you need to do certain areas of your home one at a time and then air out the rooms. You should not breathe ozone at all, so exercise extreme caution if you try this method.

Some people use propane heaters to heat up their home and cars to above 130 degrees for a few hours and they've seen success with getting rid of the bugs.

You can hire someone to do this for you, but it will be expensive.

In fact, someone even posted that when they called a company to do this, they were told that the company is not responsible if anything gets melted and that the heat treatment would cost $10,000 dollars.

If you do this, research beforehand and think about the risks involved. I cannot be responsible for any damages.

Diatomaceous Earth (DE): Kill Bugs Without Chemicals

Diatomaceous earth is an off-white talc-like powder made up of the fossilized remains of marine phytoplankton. Up close, it looks like shards of glass. On any beetle-type insect, DE gets under the shell and punctures the body, causing the bug to die.

Many people have used this product in living spaces to help get rid of bugs in their environment. A duster will help spread the DE. Remember to use a dust mask when spreading it.

What Didn't Help Us

Enzyme cleaners and peppermint sprays did not work for us at all.

Many people do get relief using enzyme cleaners, but since it cost 95 dollars and did nothing for our mites, I feel I should mention that it was a waste of money. Some people could use the 95 dollars another way.

Online scabies and lice medicines did not help at all either.

Be Careful of Bold Claims by Companies

Some companies that claim a very high rate of success never called to see if their product worked for us. My question is how they can claim such a rate if they never call people back to see if it worked?

It's possible that they just go by the return rate and assume that everybody that did not return the products are healed. I did not write this to bash any companies. I'm only saying this to help people find a solution to their nightmare.

You Can Beat This

These mites can be beaten. My family and I are a living example. Try and relax. Don't think about the bugs too much. Stress is a big contributor to immune system problems. Take vitamins, exercise if possible, and pray.

Find discussion groups like the ones mentioned below and join in:

  • Scabies Support Group: Even though these mites are not scabies, this group of people will understand what you are going through. I learned all my cleaning methods there.
  • Birdmites.org: There's a good discussion group here.

You're Not Alone

Isolation is a big problem with these mites, and that can lead to depression. You need to talk about these issues with others. I found that the only people who really understand are those who are going through something similar.

Most non-affected people make a joke about it, change the subject, or offer simple, useless advice because they don't really understand what is going on. But that's okay. There are a lot of people who do understand. Post questions or helpful hints below. You need to communicate with others, even if we can't help.

Don't bottle it up.

Stay in it for the Long Haul

Also, remember this is a long fight. There were no silver bullets for us. Even if the doctors could have identified the problem, it would have been a long process.

Keep that in mind so you don't get discouraged. A lot of people feel that if they can just prove to the doctor they are really suffering and it's not just in their head that the doctors will be able to give them a magic pill.

That would be nice, but please don't get your hopes up. Remember that the healing will come, but it is a slow process.

I hope this helps others. It is how we were able to get back to a normal life after almost ten months of misery. I hope this will help other people and families. God bless you.

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      Shannon N Ware 

      18 hours ago

      I am not sure if everyone has the same issue here, but my family found exactly what we are up against by finally finding this website: https://stopskinmites.com/symptoms. It has helped us tremendously and now we know what we are fighting. We contracted a skin fungus that attracts fungus loving bugs, especially collembola. I am so thankful for this site and all of Megan Wells' recommendations. We are starting to see results and have just started using a few of her skin and laundry recommendations. A lot of the posts sound very similar to what we are going thru, feeling of something crawling all over us espcecially face, head, and neck and then a biting, pinprickly feeling and strange rashes, and a feeling of something landing on our skin or jumping off. All of these symptoms except for the crawling are the fungus. The crawling is the collembola that has come to feed on the fungus. Our house was infected, especially leather (couches and coats) and our beds. But most especially our garage where my husband spends a lot of time. We bought the Cedarcide mite kit and are doing our laundry in the PCO. Please check out Megan's website as it really might be what you are going thru.

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      itgetsbetter 

      43 hours ago

      It is mostly gone for weeks now, since the 5 degree temps. I still do many things to keep it from coming back. I still use mineral oil in my ears, a couple drops, Listerine rinse and comb through hair, baby and tea tree shampoo, Vaseline now baby oil on itchy spots which are no longer itchy but I am being proactive so they don't come back. Exfoliating, Vacuuming once a day minimum, robot vac. less than 50% humidity in home (Hisense dehumidifier adds $50 to electric bill and heats up a room), windbreaker clothing, slippery new clothing (bagged everything else and got rid of cloth couch for new futon with encased mattress), vinegar in the wash. noseeum mesh on head and sometimes the socks. encased mattresses - no cloth anything, anywhere unless it is bagged or encased in plastic tarps. garbage is in plastic bags, sealed and locked bins. got rid of all cardboard since I see things flying around when I open the boxes I received from online purchases sometimes. carpet is all dry now and clean of all dust and lint. Added dirt to yard wet or muddy spots. It is a lot of clay and the grass won't grow well. Added gravel to some spots too. Using shop vac in garage and car.

      I do have a TON of SPIDERS so using sticky spider traps a lot too. I did think some of it could be spider mites or deer ticks... something really small so dust mites makes sense too. I had a hundred or so sheet web spider webs with the red dot spider in the backyard and they also did get in the house. I had tons of webbing in the stucco ceiling too.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 days ago

      Orkin came and it again got worse the day they were there but then was gone the next day again. I think they rustle them up with a gas or something and then set traps to catch them, like a liquid or gel or something. They also sprayed around the windows and doors at least. They said it was drain flies and so did the county. I did find a pupae and a drain fly no doubt, along with gnats all over house, the mud and wet spots in the yard and the bugs I caught were tiny but some did look like grey oval winged gnats.

      It also dropped to 30s again so they are always gone in the 30s. It is warming up now and the 30s might be gone for the season soon. I'm dreading it really.

      I might get another dehumidifier, the Hisense heats us a room and ADDS ABOUT $50 TO MY ELECTRIC BILL but I realized that it works well. It pulls a full bucket of water in one day sometimes whereas the other one might take a few days. I noticed a musty smell in the room that had the other dehumidifier so I put the Hisense in there and it does seem to be dry now with no musty smell but since it dropped to 30 again the furnace is kicking in so that always dries out the home.

      I'm wondering if the DEHUMIDIFIERS AND ROBOT VAC alone would conquer 1/2 this prob or more (at least the part that is in the damp carpet and floors, not the gnats, but likely dust mites, carpet beetles, ants). Of course I have to seal the house for gnats. I'm also going to try a yellow bug light for the porch and patio so the gnats don't come in when I let the dog out.

      It will be sad to have to stay out of the grass again so I hope it is not a problem again this summer. I was much better walking on sidewalks in certain neighborhoods that probably used more insecticide on the trees and grass since they have more money. Our trees are all moldy so probably full of stuff. Also, staying away from the construction site across the street helps.

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      Newnew 

      4 days ago

      Only at night now it seems to be to painful to stay home it's sad all the cleaning I do still mean shit I'm thinking they just in the carpet at this point everything bagged up and clean but when I walk across that carpet yea not only that I can feel them still on my skin anyways idk what to do but move at this point a place with no carpet I threw away all my clothes and I only wear about 3 outfits SMH this shit took over my whole life I'm going broke trying see what works and what don't I need help I can say I been taken vitamins I been clean and my house only thing that seems to work with the bitting and crawling was this foot cream and Vaseline seems to stop it alot but at night I can feel how actively they are on my body no matter where I'm at

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      LindaInCrisis 

      4 days ago

      Someone posted to be cautious using chemicals. This info was in a FB group wanted to share. It's for spider mites, and I'm thinking it might be true of other mites.

      "Spider mites frequently become a problem after applying insecticides. Such outbreaks are commonly a result of the insecticide killing off the mites’ natural enemies but also occur when certain insecticides stimulate mite reproduction. For example, spider mites exposed to carbaryl (Sevin) in the laboratory have been shown to reproduce faster than untreated populations. Carbaryl, some organophosphates, and some pyrethroids apparently also favor spider mites by increasing the level of nitrogen in leaves. Insecticides applied during hot weather usually appear to have the greatest effect, causing dramatic spider mite outbreaks within a few days." From University of California. http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7405.html

      These vermin are spreading. I have become super sensitive to any microscopic mite activity in public places. At the library, I can't sit in the chairs; where the homeless people kind of hang out during the day (it's cold); and I can feel them in the carpeting. Well lit areas, on wooden sealed chairs seems to be okay. It seems some people are getting by with adapting their lives and surroundings and spending lots of money to fight these things.

      Does anyone have information on Veterinarians, Universities, Entomologists who might help to identify what type of mites a person is dealing with outside of scabies? I'm unsure if these are rodent mites, cheyetellia, or some species of spider mites. I am highly allergic to them. I'm researched out and wondered if anyone has been able to get help from a professional.

      I agree with the person who said using chemicals is dangerous. I actually watched a YT video of a man who hung no pest strips around his home. It killed them, and I'm surprised it didn't send the family to the hospital. I would probably do something like that, if I could leave for two weeks; but can't afford it. I'm also getting paranoid of staying in hotels, Inns, motels, AirBnB's because of the plague of mites, and scabies.

      Using super harsh chemicals on your skin unfortunately might give relief but it also strips your skin of it's protective mantle. So what to do? Seems to be some evidence that essential oils will kill them, it just seems they run, hide, move into the dark, cracks, crevices, on you, your hair, clothes etc. Just to think we're fighting an unseen enemy that crawls, bites, and makes our lives all about them.

      Biggest problem seems to be our attachment to our belongings that we don't want to "burn", so we keep fighting. I read Jane Ishka's book too, the Year of The Mite; and wish she'd be honest enough to say how she actually got rid of them. She moved, she stored what she wanted to keep and left it somewhere, she bought plastic furniture, and most likely all new clothing, etc. Then she moved again. When she went with her daughter to go through the stored items; they were still there. Her moving, leaving things behind, and starting over is how she really got rid of them; nothing she used, nothing she sprayed, not the dehumidifers, not the bleach, ammonia, or chlorine swims. It was moving, discarding, and starting all over again.

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      Larry Schlehcter 

      7 days ago

      Hi, Thanks, for your imput, and all is correct and good to hear, especially with the doctors, and finding they do not have any mico

      creatures experience, and I was blacklisted, from my doctor, from his written report on me, stating I am dollusional and needed mental health, and I am imagining the bugs, so I fired him. Since then, three times I went to Providence for anything, the had already read my profile, and concluded the same, and did not listen to anything I stated.

      Regarding family and friends, they do not believe me either, for they cannot see them, and not interested, to take the time for me to show

      them, through a microscope, and most stated it was dirt/etc. Especially when at my place for one hour to a couple days, stated they did not get bit, so it not true. I do not know why, but I think the creatures are happy with me, living here, and not enough of them, if they took with them, were no enough to start a serious infistation as I have.

      This all started when I worked on a rental house, evacuated, and I placed tarps on the floors, painted all the walls, the pulling the tarps, underneath was covered with creatures/bugs/etc. and new carpet.

      Took home, sprayed bleach on all tarps, in yard, let set overnight, thinking all would die. No they were in my van, on my clothes, shoes,

      and my whole life was infected, and changed, from that point on up to today. I actually sold the house, purchased a duplex in Sandy, OR and

      moved into one side. They still followed me, and worse than before.

      I have tried to kill all the bastards with many chemicals, and nothing really kills them, they always come back within two days. So I cannot

      kill them, with anything, cannot freeze them, and they do not die even after sealed in a box for over a year.

      My situation is not mites, they have the ability to jump up 4 ft, onto you. What I have is a blood sucking skin penetrating Biting creature, that you cannot remove, after first 4 hrs, and if if you do, bleeds like a bitch. And will be immediately invaded with more of same, and they don't have to burrow through the skin. I have hundreds of them in my skin. Hydrogen Prozxde finally works on my skin to boil into the areas, and kill them. But doesn't matter, everywhere in my life cars, garage, house, clothes, glasses, every item, in my house is infected. Also, they are in my stool, nose, ears, fingernails, eyes, mouth, suliva, stomack, urine, my whole body is infected, and they are killing me, seriously, if I don't solve within the next couple months. Sucks!!

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      Newnew26 

      9 days ago

      Hey I'm back for a update so I been having these bugs I can't see bite me crawl on me like crazy my face my ears my hair in my clothes in my whole house but not as much in the bathroom or kitchen because of the tile I guess that's where I be standing at or be at the most in the house now I'm paralyzed with fear that I'll get bit again I haven't been to sleep in 3 days I didn't do nothing but sit in my home ate didn't work out didn't use oils didn't clean up as much ate whatever I wanted and was lazy af shit was dirty in my house it's strange because I can tell u I think I could of had this for about a good 2 years now but didn't know because I just thought it was my skin I was smoking and barley eating I was homeless and working so in a way I was healthier then I am now because I have a home and I just be wanting to chill I hate that lifestyle now that I got a home it's like wooow I been getting bit for years but since I barley ate and smoked and walked around alot this is fucking gross let me tell u I'm about to cry I got my first nights sleep for a few hrs last night when they most wanna be woke and fucking biting I'm crying because from reading this blog really help me starting to over come this in one fucking day like yo I love y'all anyways this is what I did I brought all types of oils for bug repellent I brought spray for the same thing I brought hella cleaning stuff I brought Listerine and Benadryl I brought cleaning wipes I brought baby wipes I brought baby powder cotton balls for my ears I brought gloves for my hands when I'm in the house now I wear bags on my feet in the house now lmao yooo I'm fucking over killing it ain't I? I brought borax I brought Windex I order this stuff online that was 60 so all in all I spend hella bread I vacuumed to oh yeah I brought rubbing alcohol and Vaseline I out that and the Benadryl baby powder on that shit hepls I mean big time on the biting and keeping them off I can feel them falling off and breaking away from my space I be in when I feel anything weird on my skin i spray with the rubbing alcohol I put Vaseline everywhere and on my hair line to try to stop them from moving the Benadryl helps with the itching and the rubbing alcohol hepls with the crawling I wear a sliky head wrap that work to keep them out my hair I put cotton balls in my ears and I spray after and before I touch it and before I sit down with rubbing alcohol even my gloves I wear like doc gloves lmao being outside helps alot it's seems that they come off outside only in my house I feel the shit anyway I wipes down and spray the walls I put all types of oils down I don't give after if it don't work bitch die from smells I cleaned everything and by the time I was ready to go to sleep I ain't feel barely anything I mean yeah it's not magic pill to make them stop it's not clean one time your done you got to have a routine at this point because they hip to u being dirty or unclean like u was before oh yeah I used Listerine when I took a hot shower I put that all over and I put 2 in 1 dandruff shampoo in my hair and my skin fuck it I'll try just about anything at this point everything clothes wise and bed sheets wise I put in bags when I wanted to change into my clean untouched clothes in the shower I put them in bags I clean every other hour I put hella borax and baby power down in the carpet I heard they can't stand powders they will dry out and die with all this I had a good night's kind of sleep by the time I was ready praise the most high just the other day I was on the phone in the shower scrubbing my skin off in hot hot water and crying talking to my friend about what did I do to deserve this why can't I stop feelings these bugs I can't see I know there there when I'm outside I don't feel nothing I'm normal that house I despise it I rebuke that fucking house I think it's a fucking demon in my house I was lazy I loved money and barley cleaned shit I know it may sound crazy but we got to be open because really half of us don't even fucking know if it's are skin or in are minds or bugs no one but one person believes me mostly because he could see how much the shit is stressing me I still can't believe that is happening to me like yo why yo why it was fine the few other days I mean not really but the past few days been hell on Earth like I mean I know it's a demon I don't eat sugar no more I don't drink alcohol which I think it's sugar in it I'm just going to start fasting eat geens and garlic maybe I heard that if u start not eating as much to none at all they will leave u alone because ur not a jelly donut to them anymore I heard spicy foods work to just fast eat better get out the house more open all the windows let ur house air out and leave for a few hrs then come back and clean up make sure you out ur bags on ur feet spray with the clean spray then put the bags on feet then spray hands with alcohol them out gloves on out ur silky head wrap on or shower cap remember use Benadryl and spray body with ur choice of the strong shit u got then walk from the door remember don't stay still to long keep moving around I find that when I'm doing something in the house I don't think about it as much I'm sick of this shit I can see the frustration in my child father's face with all the spraying and cleaning I can't help it if I ain't feel nothing I ain't gonna do nothing but as long as I know them shit there I'ma do it fuck it I mean I'm not sure if this gonna fix it but if and when it do I'ma be happy af well I'ma keep u update on the progress of my house and everything I'ma do everything in my power to make this shit go away

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      Newnew26 

      9 days ago

      Just a few days ago these shit gotten really really bad I mean I feel shit crawling on me 24/7 it seems like it dies down doing the day but at night shit anyways at first it started in my clothes then the itch would go away then in my bed I would put the sheets in the dryer and every was ok for the night and the day at first I use to only feel the bites at night now it's all day and nights and I feel crawling like SMH anyways I just pushed it off as me thinking to much about it but the last few nights been hell so I gone on YouTube they said it could be anything really and it was no help and no one to talk to about it like how this wedsite was anyways I looked and looked I thought I had bed bugs but they sleep in the day and it wasn't that I still checked nothing I was crying and everything because I ain't no what to do but I was suffering more and more it seems like no matter how much I washed and oil up and keep clean nothing helped anyways I googled some things and came here I here to let u know your not alone at all them little mother fuckas are real o can feel them on my skin my face my back neck everywhere evern my fucking hair yo not i can feel them play on my lashes fucking gross yo these little bugs I can't see are feeding off me like ugghhh I used a green boom and that shit aint do shit I was reading and it says clean clean clean i heard I mean clean like if the guy with the white gloves from the was gonna come and use his finger to wipe I mean spray everything with Lysol and water down borax be and also Windex clean before use cover it carpert with the borax and Windex use a spray bottle with a sharp spray to get the walls I mean cover it with ur walls then i gone over with the borax I also vacuumed before hand I got baby power to it seems they don't like it really powder drys them out and kills them i heard I don't feel like im getting bit as much I also use Benadryl and that helps with the itching to I use the Listerine on my hair that helps to i have washed with the borax but i will this shit cost yo I almost spend 100 for this shit and more frfr but I had to try everything because wtf idk what it is it feels like the Vaseline all over ur body and baby powder a few time a day seems to help greatly to keeps them tf away from me for a while anyways I can always feel them but not as much as not doing nothing how i knew i had it whatever it is mites whatever I'm pretty sure it's some type of mite I was in the er because I was bit all over my back and I took all my clothes off and got in the hos5bed and boi didn't a bitch felt better

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      itgetsbetter 

      9 days ago

      I have been eating a lot of carbs to see if it will come back since it is still gone and I have noticed some crawling and some fluttering but not really bad. It also shot up to 60 degrees today and we have been going to the parks a lot since the bugs in the grass seemed to have been killed by the freezing temps. I think they are back tho, just barely, with the warm temps and the greener grass.

      i'm using the eufy 11s robot vac now, 3 times a day and it is still eating dust so i know this house was full of dust and that the furnace is still blowing the attic dust all over the place.

      The robot vac is putting a dent in the amount though and with the lessening of the dust my dust allergy/watery blurry itchy eyes are much better in the morning. I didn't even wipe them off this am. Usually a cold wet washcloth gets the dust off and the pollen off in the summer too.

      The ice maker broke a long time ago and I never shut off the water to it and I'm wondering if there is wet gunk under the fridge that had drain flies, fungus gnats, or mold mites. I did spray vinegar under the fridge and tried to clean it out but couldn't really get in there. I recently fixed the ice maker arm but it won't make ice anymore so I'm guessing the line is frozen.

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      Zorro 

      13 days ago

      Garrison, ACV stands for Apple Cider Vinegar.

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      Gman74 

      13 days ago

      Hey guys,

      Thanks for all of the advice! I'm working on changing my diet but it's not easy because i'm in recovery and sometimes i manage my addiction with sugar. Seems like i'm damned if i do damned if i don't some days. I'm really frustrated with this guys. I'm living with a girlfriend who continues to re-contaminate the sleeping area by hanging on the infested couches downstairs. I'm going to work on minimizing my sugar and try some of the things that Louise mentioned. By the way what is "take 1-2 T ACV a day in a glass of water."? I'm also going to recommend her starting to assist me in eradicating these things. If she's not cooperative we might have to get separate places for the time being. I'm tired of this BS. I'm not sleeping and very angry at the homeless guy that i got these from.

      Have a great day everyone!

      Garrison

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      Louise 

      2 weeks ago

      MargaretMeade, I understand your frustration. I can only post what helped me tremendously where I don't feel the crawling now do I get the skin marks - except when the one friend comes around. In the beginning I had them all of the time but I feel that I am blessed to appear to have gotten rid of them and have improved my immune system along the way. I do not think that it's just that I have gotten used to them but I don't see anyone scratching when I am around them now as before (even the ones with the apparently weak immune system). My eyes are not blurry in the mornings with them there either.

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      Louise 

      2 weeks ago

      I am so much better now than 2 years ago. I try to stay away from sugar, high carbs, junk food - instead I built up my immune system with healthy foods (esp healthy green veggies). I eat 2 chopped cloves of garlic a day in eggs or kefir or hot green tea. I also take 1-2 T ACV a day in a glass of water. Get plenty of rest, exercise out doors and take a good quality mult-vitamin. Collagen capsules help your skin to heal and maybe deter them as well. I bathe with tea tree oil (tto) soap or the Walmart sulfur soap and then use coconut oil on my skin or Nivea lotion. When I wash clothes, I add Borax and in the dryer, I allow the clothes to dry completely, then put a few drops of tto and peppermint oil on dryer balls for at least an hour. If you feel them in your eyes, take one drop of tto and rub it under the bottom of each eye 1/2 in away from eye (and they will get out of your eyes - how long depends on how many are in there and how long). If they are in hair, 1-2 drops rubbed in hands and they on hair helps. You can also mix a drop or two in the coconut oil and rub on skin. Mop with Dawn and borax. I spray car with mix of Borax water (no granules - it clogs your sprayer) and tto (and opt. Cyper-WX or Onslaught insecticide). You can put 1-2 drops of tto in your bottle of mouthwash also. Someone said that people with Candida attract them the most so I also am taking capsules for Candida. I have noticed that people who exercise and with really good immune systems (from eating healthy) are not bothered by them at all and they do not notice them no matter how long you stay around them.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 weeks ago

      To de-clutter the house and get everything off the floor I bought wire shelves on castors/wheels. I wish I had more bins that were 16 inches wide instead of 18 since I can't really fit two per shelf without the lid popping off. The shelf is 36 inches wide and most of my bins are just over 18 inches wide or more with the lids. The box is pretty heavy to haul into the house for me so I can't go any bigger than that.

      I can move them around and the robot vac fits under them as well as under the bed and futon couch. With the castor wheels it is less than $100 per shelf and I fit 6-8 bins on them, depending on the bin size and can move them on carpet if needed.

      I believe it helps to have the wire so dust falls through them and then the robot vac will get it off the floor but they are also lighter weight. The plastic one I bought is even lighter than the wire shelves which is nice but no wheels or room underneath so I will have to remove all the bins to move it. My carpet is on a slab and since it gets so humid here, the slab is likely getting damp as is the carpet which is attracting all kinds of bugs like ants and carpet beetles.

      I still want to lay peel and stick tile in the entire house as I am almost convinced that peel and stick tile and the robot vac would eliminate this forever. The bathrooms have peel and stick tile and I never notice bugs in there unless they are in the washcloths or towels. I'm using camping towels which are quick dry and probably bug resistant. First, I am going to try using the robot vac a lot and see if that keeps the carpet beetles or dust mites, whatever it is away.

      The plastic shelves were like $36 on sale. it all seems like too much money to me.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 weeks ago

      I did notice something at a popular chain drug store near me. They had the cotton clothing for months and then I noticed an abrupt change to these slippery material clothing, super cheap, and probably from another country. Thankfully I bought at least a couple items because later, amidst the bug infestation, at some point I realized that those two items (a slippery polyester sun dress and a tunic) never got infested so I started wearing only those items as much as possible for relief from the crawling.

      I STILL notice little bugs dive bombing me in this store and other stores nearby on occasion, despite the cold this winter. I also noticed this drug store is filthy, under the food shelves in the refrigerators. The floor is covered with crap like dirty popsicle sticks and stuff. It's revolting. I told a person who worked there and it was still there last I checked. I no longer buy food there and try to avoid going in there too.

      I read previously about a shipment of infested cotton coming to the US from another country. That they failed to sanitize it and I also noticed in another store, that I would feel crawling whenever in the clothing section so I also now, stay off carpets and out of the clothing section in that store. ALSO, one of those stores closed down entirely so I was wondering if they were entirely infested because it is likely that THAT store was the one I bought the first item of infested cotton blend pants that i know came from another country.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 weeks ago

      Lucy - it is just me and my dog and I had a family member stay a night or two in the beginning and they didn't notice it but I believe the room and bed they slept in was not infested yet since it all stemmed from one item of clothing stored in my bedroom.

      Gman - this will also apply to your question.

      After no crawling for weeks, I just tried to wear one older item of clothing from when the infestation was active and felt crawling again most of the day. I threw it out.

      I forgot about this one piece of advice I listened to previously:

      BUY 3 NEW OUTFITS (I got new non cotton/non-organic, nylon windbreaker slippery material). Only wear and wash those 3 new outfits. DO NOT EVER WASH OR STORE THE NEW NON-INFESTED CLOTHING WITH THE OLD INFESTED CLOTHING.

      Any item that may have started the infestation, say it has holes in it or makes you feel crawling really bad, throw it out in a sealed plastic bag or at least bag it for now. Exterminator said bed bugs take a year to die so don't open any bags for a year after your infestation is gone. I put moth balls in the sealed garbage bags to kill the larva. This should work for carpet beetles and dust mites too I think which is more what I think I have along with possibly drain flies or noseeums.

      I think I bought an infested item and it infested everything else, including carpets, couch, bed. Any infested item of clothing I wear, I feel crawling in. As long as I stick to my 3 windbreaker outfits, I have no crawling. I noticed this too from wearing noseeum mesh socks with no socks under them.. I would not feel crawling on my feet, but would feel it under my pants or whatever item of clothing was infested.

      You do have to get them out of your hair too which is why the noseeum mesh hat works too - to keep them out of your hair... carpet beetles like hair, dog hair, carpet, organic clothing, skin, pet dander etc. Rinsing hair with Listerine helps to get them out of hair along with a nit comb sprayed with Listerine, baby shampoo and tea tree shampoo.

      They will be in the car carpeting too so I vacuum it a lot or do something like put baking soda down on carpets. I also tuck my pants into my socks in the car or wear tall boots but the freezing temps or Orkin took care of the car for me.

      My brand new futon couch has the factory plastic on the mattress then bedbug encasement, then vinyl encasement and then camping tarp over. My house is officially plastic entirely really, everything bagged and binned. I run the robot vac 3 times a day. I sleep on plastic tarp, in windbreaker outfits with noseeum mesh and only use super thin small fleece blankets that are washed or shook out daily. I wipe of the couch every time I sit on it or sleep or any time i feel crawling. It is really gone now fpr weeks though I'm still paranoid, especially since it is warming up now.

      Meijer has mens drawstring slippery rain type I polyester spandex pants in black and grey, with zipper pocket on the leg and elastic in the ankle like sweats, and these have never gotten infested for me. I can easily shake anything off them but mostly no lint sticks to them. Bathing suits that are non cotton, say tankini bathing suit tops also work for me since slippery and I can tuck them in.

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      Lucy 

      2 weeks ago

      Can i ask a question please ..just how many in your household? And how many of them affected buy this ? Pls thanks in advance :) x

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      Gman74 

      2 weeks ago

      Thanks for the all the input everyone! My story starts a couple of years ago. At one time i did some volunteering with the homeless and i believe something was transmitted to me. I could literally feel something jumping on me as i sat with my homeless friend. Needless to say it took a rigorous cleaning of my place along with spraying of bug spray to get rid of them. Fast forward to last March and i have coffee with the same homeless friend. This guy gives me bugs again! Good grief you think i would learn. I gave him a ride to the shelter and i believe they got in my truck and then back to my girlfriends place where i was living. Since then i have been unable to get rid of them. It's been VERY frustrating! I'm not sure why i can't get rid of them this time around. I have a mattress cover on the mattress but it doesn't seem to do any good. I wash all of the blankets and sheets and put them around me before putting them on the bed and can feel no bugs however when i do put them on the bed i begin to feel them. Does anyone have any recommendation on a mattress cover? I've taken Ivermectin, I've gone to an allergist where they test me for dust mites (negative) and i've seen a general practitioner where they did blood tests. All came back ok..i guess i should be thankful for that..but this is really EXHAUSTING. What do people use on bedding? I've been spraying tea tree oil but that doesn't seem to work? I've also tried using Spray Away but feel like i've been using it more than i should. Any help is greatly appreciated!

      Garrison

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 weeks ago

      Mandy, thank you. I'm so sorry for you. It is awful in the beginning. hang in there. You will make it.

      I used to imagine I was camping and eventually did put a tent on my bed but the noseeum mesh is better. the tent is too hot to sleep in and doesn't totally work I think because they are really tiny and it is in the clothing too, (unless it is super slippery material like windbreaker). It will eventually go away, it just takes a lot of work so a while to do it all I'm told. I'm free of it for weeks now though we hit 5 degrees and I have Orkin now. It is also warming up so I will find out how much the disappearance is related to temperature.

      If I had to do this over again I would get the NOSEEUM MESH FIRST (link below). It helps a ton if not entirely, keeping them off while sleeping and whenever else I wear it. I got the noseeum mesh at least a couple sizes too big so they don't rip and baggy clothing is always best.

      Less clothing is usually better under the mesh since they get in damp clothing (laying eggs in there, perhaps in the dryer?). My clothing, when bagged, smelled like a swamp so I also wondered if it was in the water supply at times, say a bug infested swamp flooded into the water supply. That makes sense since it has been raining non-stop for a year now and noseeums lay eggs in water and mud.

      If drain flies are drive bombing your head, you can try putting plastic lids or cups over drain openings. rub the inside with Vaseline since they will stick to it. They can also be under the fridge in the drain pan (read up on this one a lot), washing machine... anywhere wet, coming in around the pipes or through an unused pipe. Maybe standing water outside. I painted the trim outside and tons of gnats were stuck to it.

      SECOND - TAPE LINT ROLL - all clothing, bedding. pet beds, couch, carpets and floors with tape lint rollers. I swear I would roll the floor over and over in the same spot and they multiplied so fast there would be something there even after several times - there is a floor roller on a long handle that looks like a paint roller for ceilings. Instead of rolling floors, vacuum daily or spread baking soda everywhere. If vacuuming, empty contents in a sealed plastic bag each time you do it.

      SEAL clothing, bedding furniture WITH Plastic TARPS ,plastic garbage bags with duct tape, rubber bands all help seal clothing, bedding, furniture, to stop it from multiplying and spreading while you are getting the floor clean and to keep it off of you to some extent, if on the floor, couch, bed chairs.

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      Mandy 

      2 weeks ago

      @itgetsbetter you have knowledgeable information and I agree with what you said especially about possible carpet beetles. I did see what I thought was lady bugs in my old apt but now I think they were carpet beeetles since they look similiar especially from far away. The larvae have tiny prickly hairs that Internet say they shed. I’m starting to think they start out as one of those tiny hair like things as soon as they hatch! I’ve read others mention a positive springtail problem identified by professionals and I have as well as I caught a bunch on my sticky trap so wonder if that’s our common denominator. Only prob is I think my problem flys and I think you mentioned that you think yours do as well so maybe we actually have book lice which look a lot like springtail but the book lice can fly. Or maybe the damn springtail are just jumping everywhere which looks like something in flight to me! Idk but you are a fighter for sure!! I literally work during the day all drained and wore out and come home and cry and ask God why this torture won’t go away for us!!! I have literally just gave up on hope for a better life! I value your determination! :)

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      Theresawayout 

      2 weeks ago

      Marcie, I know how you are feeling. Don't give up! I will write down some things that helped me (and still help me a lot).

      First of all, STOP USING INSECTICIDES (and/or other aggressive chemicals), as they make things worse. They will only make these critters more aggressive, and they will increase their production rate. At the same time, your skin loses its protective capacity when you keep using strong chemicals.

      My main 'weapon' is a spray mix of water, washing up liquid, peppermint oil, cedar oil, and just a tiny dash of ammonia (be careful: it's not ammoniak, but ammonia, which is only a 3% dilution, as sold by most grocery stores).

      This spraymix kills the critters instantly (from what I read in your post they are probably collembola). In your situation I think I would leave out the ammonia for a while, as you said you can hardly breathe due to all the chemicals you’ve been using. The spray mix will be less effective without the ammonia, but it still works. The washing up liquid will surround the collembola, and make them suffocate.

      I will write down the ingredients and quantities at the bottom of this post.

      First of all some general tips:

      1. SPRAY TOWARDS THE CEILING, as they often hide there. And the fine 'mist' falling down will kill the critters that float in the air. Make sure you spray away from you, while walking backwards, so that you don't get the spray onto your body. Don't forget the walls.

      2. NEVER SPRAY DIRECTLY ONTO YOUR BODY. But I do spray my clothes when needed. Sometimes, when the critters get into my hair, I use a separate spray mix, WITHOUT the ammonia (because ammonia dries out your hair). With this special mix (water, washing liquid, peppermint oil and cedar oil only) I spray towards the ceiling too, and quickly spread the falling mist through my hair with the other hand, back and forth. If you do this above a washbasin, you may see them falling down, as black spots or small things that resemble small pieces of hair. You will feel instant relief, and the itching stops.

      3. In my next post I will write down some more information on how to handle the problems that you may have with fingertips, hair, skin, clothes, shoes, bed and floors. And about a 'must have': a vacuum cleaner with a HEPA 13 filter + a suction hose + some tools that generally come with them. A small rechargeable LED torch (like the portable ones that are used for bikes) comes in handy, too, so that you can easily see where the collembola and eggs are, on the floors and furniture.

      Back to the beginning of this post: here are the INGREDIENTS and QUANTITIES of the SPRAY MIX.

      1. You need a 500 ml (half a liter) empty (and clean) spraying bottle/flask with a VERY FINE NOZZLE. The nozzle is extremely important, because, if it is not fine enough, you won't be able to hit them. I'm not familiar with cleaning items in the US, so you have to try and find something like this:

      https://www.kruidvat.nl/kruidvat-refresh-textielve...

      It's an example of a spraying flask that is used to refresh fabrics like curtains, etc. I tried some spraying bottles that are used to spray plants, but I couldn't find any that had such a very fine nozzle.

      2. Fill 3/4 of the bottle/flask with water.

      3. Add 1.5 (one and a half) tablespoons of washing up liquid (Dawn?)

      4. Add 6 drops of peppermint oil and 5 drops of cedar oil.

      5. Add a tiny dash of ammonia (pour a little bit into the cap first (not a cup, but the cap that is on top of the ammonia bottle), so that you can dose the quantity more easily. Try around one fourth or one third of the cap.

      Try not to inhale while you are adding the ammonia. You could also add the ammonia under the cooker hood, or outside.

      6. (Slowly) fill up the bottle/flask with water, and wash your hands thoroughly. The peppermint oil is a very strong substance that may burn the skin of your face. If you got some peppermint oil on your fingers, and would touch your face (or worse, your eyes!) after that, it would really hurt. So, be careful with the peppermint oil. Wearing LATEX GLOVES while making this spray mix would be a good idea.

      Finally, A FEW "DON'TS":

      - Don't 'overdo' the spraying inside the house. Once a day should be enough. Probably in the evenings, when collembola usually start their attacks.

      - DON'T spray the beds. Keep them as dry as possible. Instead, vacuum them daily (sheets / duvet / pillows) with a vacuum cleaner with a HEPA-filter, and a suction hose + a wide and 'plain' suction tool that has no "brush hairs". Any suction tool with a brush will contaminate the bed. After vacuuming, thoroughly clean the suction tool with the spray mix, washing up brush and water.

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      Again, make sure there's enough VENTILATION in the rooms you are spraying. At my place, the collembola get in from outside, so I have big air cleaners with a HEPA-filter (Winix U450) to clean the air.

      In your case, ventilation is extremely important. Also, try to go outside and take a walk daily, if you can.

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      Marcie Fidelholtz 

      2 weeks ago

      As I sit here with tears streaming down my face, I have never felt so helpless in my life...this has taken over my life as well as my 90 yo grandmothers. I have tried everything!! I'm weak, can't breath from all the chemicals I've used, been to doc 3 times and dermatology(they were worst of all, didn't prescribe anything) and i seems worse not better............HELP

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      itgetsbetter 

      3 weeks ago

      I would think this nearly invisible long thin worm-like larvae would look like an eyelash and it is for a biting noseeum. I had gaps in my door since it was not flush. Noseeums come through the screens too. you should be able to blow a fan on yourself to keep those off:

      https://uwm.edu/field-station/bug-othe-week-biting...

      There are billions of insects and many species of each type. That is why noone really knows what this is. It could be all different bugs. there are microscopic versions of spingtails and non-biting noseeums.

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      itgetsbetter 

      3 weeks ago

      I do recall seeing a ton of eyelash sized hairs around and a couple people said they KNEW that was related to carpet beetles. I did infact see a varied carpet beetle as well as 2 carpet beetle larva but they were big (like half a grain of rice but light brown and spikey) so I wrote it off. I believe someone said that they put the tiny eyelash looking hair under a 300x microscope and it was confirmed to be related to carpet beetles somehow, maybe a larva?

      I looked up carpet beetle life stages and didn't see that hairlike larva so mostly wrote it off but this IS why I coated the carpets with baking soda, swept it in and left it there which did seem to solve it mostly in the carpeted rooms. I also wash clothing daily and use only 3 outfits of slippery windbreaker material. I shake clothing out or roll it off, use a cup of white vinegar to get rid of lint in wash. vacuum daily. Use tons of moth balls (toxic) and cedar in closets and am leaving baking soda in carpets in closets to keep them bug free and dry but not letting the robo vac in there (since I want to leave it to keep it dry and also because it could ruin the vac).

      Carpet beetles make sense since I think they do fly as well as nest under flooring and in furniture and clothing and cars. I saw little black shells that can be like carpet beetles shells as they do shed them like bed bugs. Someone said lots of baking soda and 5 days straight of vacuuming got rid of it.

      Anything wormlike could be larva. I thought cat flea made sense too at one point since I put stuff under a microscope and some of it looked like the cat flea larva, and then also saw a stray cat in my yard.

      I also saw a couple of these:

      https://www.allaboutworms.com/worm-like-creature-i...

      I also saw stuff that looked like these: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Life-cycle-of-...

      The eyelash looking hair might be a larva or a tiny hair from the dog that has a carpet beetle egg or hatched larva on it.

      I also had holes in some of my clothing and carpet and the carpets were damp so I now use dehumidifiers 24/7 to keep it around 40% humidity at ALL times. My electric bill more than doubled.

      Somewhere I read that if it started after the purchase of really infested item of clothing, make sure you get rid of that item. I bagged in plastic and threw out the cotton pair of pants I bought that felt uncomfortably prickly. I do think the stores were infested. One item made me itch so I put it in a bleach water bin over night and then washed it, it still had crap in it crawling on me so I threw it out. I don't use the carpeted rooms anymore but I think they are fine now due to all the baking soda and vacuuming with the shop vac.

      Drain flies are really tiny but I didn't think the larva would be in the house, say on the carpet though it also makes sense in ways and that is what the county health dept and exterminator think I had. There are gnats stuck in the paint on the door so that is kinda obvious and I sprayed the bedroom ceiling with vinegar and had a bunch of tiny dead black gnats on the bed so small I only saw them because of the bright white mattress encasement on the bed.

      Drain fly stages of life. The smallest larva is off white and I bet it is hair like at times:

      https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Embryonic-deve...

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      Mandy 

      3 weeks ago

      Hey JMDS!! I have the exact hair like things your talking about!!! Finally someone who sees those too!!! They are clear plastic looking if that makes sense. They sometimes look a bit darker like a cream color but yes they look like an eyelash or arm hair. I find them everywhere as well like coming out of my blankets and towels. The sad part is they are in my skin as well. They get in my hair and I’m not sure if they take over the hair and kill the follicle or just blend in with the hair. I was plucking my eyebrows recently and I swear to the Lord himself that it jumped off the tweezers and landed on my face and was wiggling around!! I have it on video but I don’t know how to upload a video on here! They are all over my cat but it’s not cat hair! I brushed her with lint roller and held it up to light and they were swaying back and forth on the paper. This is the most bizarre shit I ever experienced in my life! I can see why people think they are going crazy! I find myself questioning if what I’m seeing is real all the time! I literally feel like I’m going crazy!!!! :(

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      Jessica Woodard 

      3 weeks ago

      Whats the name for the bug or the infestation please...its driving me NUTS..!!!!

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      JMDS 

      3 weeks ago

      Just curious, dengarden community

      Are there any others out there finding mysterious thin white pet-like hairs all around their environments? The ones in my place seem to drift down from a dust free ceiling over my sofa and often sprout from my tufted bed comforter .... They are often just about the size of an eyelash or slightly larger .. Sometimes feather like, but mainly sickle shaped .. When quickly discovered they seem briefly animated (wormlike) - especially when held up to the light by tweezers. I only find them alive around the time of night while suffering pin pricks and they are most noticeable on dark upholstery / clothing. Only a few posters have ever mentioned them in my ongoing online research for latest info and tips. I would bring in an exterminator, but they don’t seem to live long and definitely would expect to have a difficult time convincing someone that they’re significant when lifeless. I do believe for me there is truly some connection, as I often house sit without them or symptoms they create. - They seem to be unique to my suffering and only in my home. In other words .. environmental. Background; I have had this mystery syndrome for three years and I don’t really need to say here how exhausting it is! Recent blood work is great, as it normally is, but this nightly torment is unpleasant as hell. In my own expience it’s swarmlike, temporary but chronic, and I can often get up and walk away for temporary relief (only for it to return when I do) It sure makes relaxing difficult though. lol. I also experience some crawling at bedtime, but quite used to it now, then without any come morning. I’ve learned to sleep despite it.

      The previous poster mentioned sulfur bar soap - I’d also recommend JASON dandruff shampoo (Whole Foods) and a spray bottle of 1/2 strength menthol alcohol mixed with water for occasional spritz on all those areas we lay around. It’s usually offers me some short lived relief. If anyone has a similar story I’d be interested in seeing it here sometime .. The mystery of it all is the hardest and most challenging aspect

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      itgetsbetter 

      3 weeks ago

      M Sotired - thank you. I have worked really hard and it is GONE for weeks now, mainly since the 5 degree temps and/ or Orkin. It really tapered off more and more with every hard freeze and/or visit from Orkin. I'm almost forgetting my noseeum mesh now, but I do think I will be haunted by this for some time.

      I read about fogging with cedar but someone complained the oil ruined everything. Oil stains walls and clothing. I did get murphys soap oil for the floor and that seemed to help. I think it might have cedar oil in it.

      Orkin is putting some kind of gel around I think. They think it is drain flies and that does make sense since they attack your face, hair etc. I'm getting ready for warm temps though. I need to spread more dirt to get rid of all the standing water. If I can't I will spray soapy water in the the muddy spots and standing water.

      I also got a robot vac, eufy 11s, and after vacuuming up all the baking soda with a shop vac, I now use the eufy daily to help keep down the dust/dust mites and later ants perhaps.

      Everything is binned up now and on shelves. I don't find as much dust collecting on plastic and the vent filters are really helping. i think that helps a lot. When the dog is itchy, I brush her backwards and roll her off with tape lint roller, then a little coconut oil on the spots she is scratching.

      One thing I forgot to mention is using a really good RETURN VENT FILTER is supposed to help with dust mites. Get the accordian type like the red 3M ones, not the flat ones, and do change those more than required. Some places sell those for a better price. Check them and if dirty, change them. The guy at Lowes said that makes the biggest difference. He also said to spray lysol in the return vent but I wouldn't do it since it might coat your furnace coils and ruin them or cause a fire? Wiping out vents or sticking a vac tube gently in there and sucking out any sitting dust might help. I'm just using the vent filters.

      There was also a gap in the door since it is not flush so I added weather stripping corner pieces. One fell off already but it is still a much smaller hole. They are definitely coming in to get to the light so I am going to try yellow bulbs and maybe a clear plastic bag of pennies in water. It is supposed to keep flies away from the door. I let the dog out a lot so they are likely just flying in for the light from my swampy yard.

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      M Sotired 

      4 weeks ago

      Itgetsbetter

      You have been an inspiration to me.

      Your energy and continued efforts to fight this is amazing. I have said it before, I don’t know how you do it as I am mostly exhausted and paralyzed with fear over this. It is so overwhelming.

      I too hope for an end to this life, daily. The future seems bleak. My cancer treatment was nothing compared to this hell. If I’d known this was ahead I wouldn’t have even bothered. This is no way to live.

      If I was in the US I’d consider the cedar oil fogging. Have you thought about it? I’ve read some reports on collembola sites that say it was successful. It was on one of the forums.

      I’m not ruling it out as an option just yet. It will take time and I imagine hefty shipping rates to get to me. Then I’ll have to figure it all out or try to find someone to assist.

      I hope the cooler temperatures help you rid your problem. I’ve had more activity today and it’s not even that warm or humid. The full moon maybe?? Sigh.

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      M Sotired 

      4 weeks ago

      Jenn

      Permethrin is highly toxic to cats - please please don’t use it on her.

      I hope the ozone works for you. Let us know how you go with it.

      Sorry you had to join our group :(

      We are all struggling and searching.

      And no, we are not crazy.

      Doctors and vets don’t know.

      Maybe try glue boards to capture and ID the bugs.

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      Jenn’sNotNuts! 

      4 weeks ago

      Wow, i am soooo glad, encouraged and hopeful after reading all your posts.. I mean every one, after sitting in my car in walmart parking lot for the past two- three hours, just reading. Tryin to find what to buy next, what do i do, is it Mold? Bugs? Am i insane? morgellans!!?? But after seeing your comments, I realize, i havent lost my mind, and i am perfectly healthy.. i have bugs, & yes the kind that are in my hair too: like my arm looks as though im freezing but its the lil boogers in my pores. I have no eyelashes left, & i havent had to wax my upper lip in almost a year now.. which is nice but id much rather have a an mustache again!!

      So... i have tried: premetrin, horsepaste,

      Invermectin, alcohol, witch hazel, borax, ammonia, bleach, vinegar both cidar & white, bed bug killer with the “thrins”etc... i found that the best product for the dogs is the Nexguard- it kills fleas & internal parasites- my vet prescribed for my puppy which had demodex. Which is how i think it all got started.. so i asked her & she swears up & down i cant get

      It from my pup, but i swear i have it, & its been since he had been diagnosed.

      So now, i am trying two air cleaners, vacuuming the filter every two weeks, vacuuming- borax on the floor, no carpet,

      only laminate.. i sleep

      In a chair- vacuuming & alternating spraying with lysol & pesticide- the bengal roach killer works the best i think- premethrin is the ingredient.

      I have my old bedrooom closed off, the laundry is closed off unless im washing. Im the washing machine- i use lysol laundry disinfectant alrernating with ammonia, and use affresh washing machine cleaner about every 3 weeks..

      i am going to paint & seal my floor in the laundry room with polyurethane b/c the little boogers are in the cracks & crevices & i cant do sh*t about it..

      idk what to do about my cat? Any suggestions? I have been putting premethrin on her neck & ear mite control for her ears, and i think its working for her but not her habitat.. what do i do about the yard & the cat’s “room” which is my car port. I noticed after sitting out there two nights ago, that i am much worse. They are all over my face and ive even noticed tiny black dots coming from the hair follicles in my eyelids- where my lashes once grew, little black tiny mm sticks or beads running down my face and

      In my nose!! Wth?? My nose has a big sore w/ little white almost white head looking things in it. Its gross, & im not a bad looking girl, but right now i feel absolutely horrid & ghastly unattractive. They're always asking me at work “whats wrong with your face?” I even washed my face with clorox cleanup with bleach tonite & they turned black. I am hoping they're black when theyre dead??

      I have terrible allergies and ive found that Xyzal works the best by far out of the otc allergy meds. I do take shots & i will take benedryl worse case scenario & it helps. They dont seem to be on my dogs or cat, but all over me & our stuff..i am going to try the listerine; ive not heard that. Ive tried the neem both externally and orally, im going to start that again, windex the shower, and im going to try wearing gloves when i sleep. Ive noticed that the bites and bugs are only on whats been exposed, mainly my face & hands. I wear a beanie to

      Sleep, and i sleep during the day. I work night shift, & i thought they were worse at night... idk.. who can tell!!

      so maybe gonna try a shower cap. Ive noticed that my hair & eyebrows will Get these whire/silver streaks like theyre covered in something. I guess thats the web or cocoon deal from the mites? I am also going to try the petroleum jelly around my neck & ears, maybe brows too, & nose. I guess im breathing em in & ive tried sleeping with a respirator & it comes off , i cant stand it. Maybe the vaseline (pet. jelly) will help me not look like such a freak, with sores all over my face.

      Also a friend has giving me an ozone machine to try, so im going to zap the house from bottom to top.. starting underneath the house & inside the house to the attic.

      I will def post again & let yall know what is working. Thank you everyone for putting your comments out there & not being afraid to look like you have all lost your minds. We are all going to lose it if these critters dont DIE & Die Soon! I have nearly lost it & given up & i found your site giving me new hope & new things to try. I have been to drs & been turned away, almost admitted to the psych ward... So i have given up that route, even tried the vet lol! Something will work, as it has started to work with some being cured on this site! So thank you everyone, i appreciate each & every one of you.. also, it just came to

      Mind- those little

      Brown birds have been nesting around my house, i found ine in my dryer vent- is that a no no?? You think they may be a carrier? I need to clue the cat in in that i suppose! Thanks & any advice, i am to the point that i dont care anymore, i will try anything!!

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      itgetsbetter 

      4 weeks ago

      I blew DE IN the walls, NOT ON the walls. I put small holes in the drywall and used a clear plastic ketchup bottle. The exterminator thought it was a good idea.

      Like any other decision, a remedy for home, health whatever, should be researched. Talk to doctors, exterminators, health dept before making any decisions about how to remedy a problem. I still don't know what it is. I'm simply trying to survive it. I am dealing with this for a year now. Seems like weeks it has been mostly entirely gone, the longest stretch in a full year. I finally did not wear rain gear to bed last night. I still wore noseeum mesh. Once it warms up again, I will know if it was gone only due to the below freezing temps. it should warm up for sure by March or April, maybe even February. Seems to be gone when the temps are in the 30's too.

      I have frantically done so much stuff to eliminate the misery, I am not sure which works. Personally, having bugs crawling all over me day and night for a year, I hoped multiple times that I die ASAP. I would have gone through my car accident 10 times over rather than having bugs crawling all over me for even one night (and my head went through the glass in my accident).

      The internet, and especially anonymous, non-reputable, non-professional bloggers/posters might write things that aren't necessarily backed by professionals. Do you believe everything you read? Do you act on everything you read without talking to professionals? Fake news, scams, trolls, propaganda is all part of the world and definitely part of the internet.

      I think I forgot to mention the Capstar pill for the dog. A pet store gave me one for $7 to get rid of fleas and whatever on the dog. That might have helped too though it was weeks or months before it went away after that so not sure. There are lots of warnings for any drug one might take or give a pet. Read about it first.

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      M Sotired 

      4 weeks ago

      I agree, MargaretMeade, I am very sceptical about the use of the products recommended. Especially SSMs and her advice on how long to fog. You can, however, purchase the products directly, without her receiving any ‘commission’.

      I am yet to go down that path.

      I’m just not sure how safe cedar oil is.

      I purchased one small bottle and the smell was rather awful.

      But if I had no pets, someone to help me and a lot of money I probably would have tried the fogging by now. It’s also not readily available where I live. The shipping costs will be huge.

      I’m sorry you moved and that hasn’t helped. It seems to be a common outcome.

      We’re all here looking for answers.

      I have positive ID of springtails/collembola.

      But I’m not really expecting to resolve this after 2 years of research.

      There will come a time when I give up.

      While there is at times relief, it appears there is no escape.

      It’s a lonely and exhausting existence.

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      MargaretMeade 

      4 weeks ago

      M Sotired

      Thank you so very much.

      I have been there to both and have been researching for almost one year now. I moved 6 months ago; and brought them along with me. I actually lived normally for one whole week; until I guess the eggs hatched in two closets. Then it was back to bagging, washing, vacuuming, cleaning, and trying new products.

      Both of those sites are informative but also looking for you to purchase their products. StopSkinMites is the worst. She's making hefty profit by being a consultant and referring people off to buy products through her Amazon account; and insisting that you follow her directions and not the companies. I think she probably got rid of them, by buying everything new with the money she's making. In my opinion she should be shut down for profiting off the suffering of thousands and thousands of people.

      The other site is very helpful; this info is the best. https://mitetreatments.com/mite-mistakes/

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      M Sotired 

      4 weeks ago

      MargaretMeade

      Have you been to stopskinmites.com

      or

      Mitetreatments.com

      Maybe you’ll find some of your answers there.

      All the best.

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      MargaretMeade 

      4 weeks ago

      What bothers me about this are all the people who come onto forums and seem to think they have the answers and they don't. They're not entomologists. When you say they're not invisible (first what are they??). How do you know this? When I read Jane Ishka's book the Year of the MIte; they the bird mites she did have identified; were virtually invisible until they fed; then they turned red. Ted at Earth Clinic says the active mites/parasites are invisible (clear). The mothers are red and the dead ones are black (pepper).

      I've read back on forums where people have posted in 2010 about mites/parasites. If they remain in your environment; you can eat all the garlic you want; take all the supplements you can tolerate; wash with all the neem, essential oils, dog shampoo and sulfur you can find; and you're going to get reinfested. Because they're in the environment.

      There are thousands of different species of mites. Are we all dealing with the same kind? Are they bird mites, scabies, rodent, mice mites, oak leaf gall mites? I see very few posts from people who've actually gotten rid of them without moving four times, throwing away all of their belongings and starting over, spraying every pesticide they can find. Once they've infested the environment, they're in your clothes, hair, shoes, cracks and crevices of your dwelling, and body, embedded in your cushions, mattress, under your refrigerator, in closets, boxes, storage containers, papers, floors, walls and ceilings.

      Honestly is the answer spending hundreds on hundreds of dollars trying different methods to kill mites? How do you tell people to blow DE on the walls and then tell them not to breath it because it causes Cancer? Do you understand how serious this kind of advice is? Now that it's on your walls; you won't breath it???????

      Again it's frustrating because people are protocol happy and want to look like experts or advice givers. This is no longer just a problem it's a crisis and it's spreading more and more every day. We need answers of how to get rid of them in our environments, our clothing and ourselves without re-infestation.

      What I'm seeing is that some people are just learning to live with them, spending lots of money and giving advice to others when they've not been able to eradicate these things from their lives.

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      itgetsbetter 

      5 weeks ago

      Also possibly helping me is eating lots of garlic, jalepenos, cinnamon - make sure you don't taste good to bugs. Bugs like sugar and carbs. I also felt like the shaved garlic clove wrapped in napkin and dipped in olive oil helped a lot. I put them in my ears at night when I have felt crawling in my ears. See Dr. Darren Schmidt on youtube about parasites and chronic illness as well as immune system. Holistic doctors will believe you.

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      itgetsbetter 

      5 weeks ago

      Nearlyoutofhope - Whatever they are, they aren't actually invisible, just really tiny and if dust mites, those need to be viewed under a microscope. Also, some are allergic to dust mites so they will itch from it like allergies, no matter where they go. I got an exterminator and they said it was drain flies, as did the county health dept but I also think I am allergic to dust mites and it is better now from multiple things, I'm not sure which of these below. Some people don't feel dust mites and some do.

      eating lots of red meat for iron and strength

      eat broccoli and spinach a lot

      Make sure you aren't deficient of vitamins or minerals like b vitamins and c (some deficiencies cause crawling sensations)

      If your skin is hot when fluttering is felt, it could also be hot flashes, stay cool if this applies

      eating more fat and way less sugar

      freezing cold temp for several days.

      exterminator - orkin

      shaking all my clothing and blankets out.

      using only windbreaker, nylon, thin polyester fleece and slippery materials for clothing and blankets since lint does stick to it as much

      sleeping on plastic encased mattresses (new futon couch with spring mattress for $300 from Walmart - better homes)

      wearing noseeum mesh

      not letting them crawl on me ever - scratch them off with cloth over so you don't break the skin, kill them with your hands

      2-3 drops of hydrogen peroxide or mineral oil in ears

      rinsing hair and showering with Listerine where you feel crawling

      permithrin zinc dandruff shampoo, baby shampoo, and tea tree shampoo for hair and body, in that order and all at once

      fungicide for athletes foot, ringworm, etc

      vent filters

      1 cup of vinegar, sensitive skin baking soda detergent, and sensitive skin fabric softener in the washing machine - get rid of LINT/dust

      change clothing if infested and soak it in bleach water in bins

      get rid of all dead skin on body and feet, exfoliate

      coat and sweep in baking soda on carpets and leave it there

      sweep cinnamon on wood floors

      blow food grade DE into walls - careful, don't breath it and wear mask, it causes cancer

      vacuum with shop vac often 5 days in a row

      spot treat itchy spots with baby oil, Vaseline or Listerine, maybe coconut or veggie oil

      comb hair with Listerine, tea tree conditioner and a nit comb daily

      brush dog backwards and rolling off dog dander and dust or mites

      coating dog with coconut or veggie oil if really itchy and NOT when going in the sun (they will cook like anyone else)

      wipe dog ears out gently with hydrogen peroxide on soft tee shirt or tank top

      a couple drops of mineral oil in dog ears prior to gently wiping it out a couple days later (for ear mites)

      tape lint roll dog beds and couch before using always

      rubber tall boots in car, tuck pants in

      vacuum car often

      tucking rain pants into socks and tankini top into rain pants

      use rubber bands on pant cuffs and wrists so they can't crawl up

      shave as much hair off as possible often

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      dr miticide 

      5 weeks ago

      Trust me guys you are not nuts. Dr,s wont believe you. Nobody will. But i do. And i think i finally figured it out after a long hard think and a lot of endless research on invisible biting bugs. I got this. I think, no im sure it is some type of mite. Not sure what type but its the invisible type.

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      mitecidal 

      5 weeks ago

      To whom it may concern. I am going to say that these mythical figments of your imagination. The invisible biting bugs everybody is being attacked by. Well they are NOT!!! mythical at all. Not by a long shot. I am about to tell you a simple tip that you can do to really help you and maybe even eliminate these unknown invisible bastards. Yet to be proven. But im 100% sure that this will change your life. You will now have a most powerfull godly weapon against these ungodly invisible bastards. The secret weapon. Is pure neem oil. Yes thats right. Pure NEEM oil from the tree ( Azadirachta indica) Whoever is reading this. I promise you. Get a big bottle of pure neem oil. Which is usually mixed with a carrier oil to thin it out such as olive oil. Get the shit. Its a bit expensive but trust me you will thank me later. Ok so. If pure neem oil is obtained. Mix it with carrier oil, do your research and figure out the ratios. Or get neem oil mixed with carrier oil already. Right so put about 2/3 tablespoons of the neem and carrier oil mix into a good quality spray bottle. Put some conditioner or moisturizing body wash or anything really. In with the 2/3 tablespoons of neem oil. Fill the rest with water and shake like hell. Then get in the shower seal yourself in and spray it all over yourself. Head first, face,body,legs,feet,bottoms of feet,groin,butt, and all around your finger and toe nails. Cover yourself completely. Sit in the shower with no water running for 30 mins minimum.Dont wash it off for at least 30 mins. You will feel them jumping off you like invisible springbocks. Lol. Hahahahaha evil laugh. DIE'ING bahahaha. Yes they can be killed yes Little bastards die.

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      Nearlyoutofhope 

      5 weeks ago

      Anyone have any good advice on explaining /convincing people ...ive been through this hell before was for about a year but managed to escape buy moving away and getting rid of everything ! I was desperste then ..but i had support..now seems to be back but noone beleives me ..i live with 2 teenage children one of them itches but the others not affected . I have an older daughter to who's usually my support but now thinks im having a mental break down and delusional...ive been signed off for depression but due to go back to work..on the verge of being sectioned ..im tempted to give in and see if the phyciatrists can find the cause though scared il end uo trapped dosed up on meds to cover the symptoms ..im at a loss ..if it wasnt for my kids id completly give up hope ! Any advice will be appreciated thanks

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      Cherish 

      5 weeks ago

      What's been working for me is drinking pure celery juice every morning before I eat, working out and praying. I take a bath once a week and activated charcoal bubble bath. I also tried to eat pretty healthy because when I eat terrible, its worse

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      Claudio 

      6 weeks ago from Low Angeles California

      Thank you so much Familyman LM. After reading your article I began to make the changes necessary to overcome this infestation. Beginning with the listerine showers, I used 10% sulfur soap. Witch Hazel helped in between showers on any itchy parts. Later, used coconut oil with eucalyptus globulus. Now I use some diatomaceous earth mixed wih coconut oil. Had a breakthrough covering my skin with bentonite clay and letting it dry. Washed everything in brorax at the highest temperatures. Ended up, having to shave back all unruly hair.

      On the cleaning front, removed the bed, and discovered a nest. Previously, I smelled a mold, but that happens here in winter. I did not know the combination of mold and mite. Used onslaught around the perimeter. Used bleach and zinsser mold disinfectant for the walls ceilings, moulding and everything that could take it. Put out diatomaceous earth on carpets and vacumed. Used borax on carpets and shoes. Then got a ozone machine, which helped alot. I accidentally set it to hold instead of timer and ozone shocked the house.

      The permetherin cream 5% really did the trick. I think the mites are resistan to ivermectin, I bought veterinary horse blend. Now I am switch ing to moxidection. Just waiting for the next wave of eggs to hatch so it will work better.

      Hope everyone heals from this. It is a process not perfection that gets results.

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      itgetsbetter 

      6 weeks ago

      I found VENT FILTERS that can be placed or taped to the vents which seems to be helping with all the dust lint and dog hair floating around. I am only putting them where we are sleeping, eating, hanging out a lot so it doesn't strain the furnace or get too cold in the house.

      I also sprinkled cinnamon on the wood floors since ants supposedly don't like walking over it and I think they might be under the wood floor - slab ants? Also, it is close to the color of the floor and I believe it is not bad for your lungs like DE would be.

      I'm trying ammonia in the laundry now. It has been much better yesterday and today. The exterminator was here and initially it got worse. He did something in the corners of the garage... maybe checking traps or spraying a gas? he had some kind of pump on his belt and not a wand to spray under baseboards. Seems hit sprayed in the corners of the garage with it. Not sure. He suggested I have the wood floor steam cleaned but I don't want to ruin it and I have already spent a fortune on this crud.

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      itgetsbetter 

      7 weeks ago

      Trina - I believe someone said steam cleaning helps. I have not tried it but know a couple people who had a steam cleaner and and one of them raved about it though I think she was using it on mattresses and pillows or something (not for bugs). The other one said it was ruining her stuff, I think construction materials, say flooring or trim or something like that. I don't know what specifically but she was using it for the floor at least (not bugs), so likely making the floor come up. It makes a lot of sense that it could destroy a floor. If it was glued down, you would think super hot temps might melt the glue. I can't remember really but I would research online. Maybe certain floors can take it.

      I have great luck with the tape lint roller for floors and the murphys soap oil seemed to help a lot too. I sprayed under baseboards with malathion and then later with ortho home defense max. Now I blow DE in the walls.

      I still want to swap out all carpet and wood flooring for peel and stick, linoleum or vinyl since i have never noticed the bugs bothering me in the bathroom really and they have the peel and stick tile. Any clothes I hang to dry in the bathroom also seems to have less bugs. Bugs can't nest under peel and stick tile but they can in carpet and floating floors i think (foam board?).

      The exterminator is coming again though it is dropping to single digits this week, hopefully for four days straight since that should kill everything outside and maybe even in the attic, garage and car.

      I felt a decent amount of crawling the last couple days but not much tonight. Almost nothing and it is 28 degrees outside.

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      itgetsbetter 

      7 weeks ago

      After reading wikipedia for quite a while, my unprofessional assessment of kleen green is that it is generally equal to or quite similar to this combination... lemon juice, baking soda, and salt.

      Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) and lemon juice (citric acid) together are a degreaser commonly found in cleaning products. Sodium chloride is salt and i believe it would dry bugs out.

      If you put baking soda or salt in a spray bottle it will break it. I have tried salt and vinegar or water before and it broke the spray nozzle. You could put the mixture in an empty dish soap squeeze bottle though. It made me think of soft scrub for bathrooms. It probably had baking soda in it.

      My thoughts are if you clean every day, vacuum and wipe everything down, for at least 5 days in a row, the dust mites or whatever, will probably diminish, regardless of the products used to clean.

      The secret I think is killing it all at once, from clothes, floors mostly, car and that is hard to do without cleaning for 5 days straight since the vacuum will miss a lot and they multiply so fast. This may not entirely work if it is dust mites that are also outside and in the attic and ventilation system. They blow all over, end up in your hair, clothes, carpets, bed, car and they keep multiplying, even on the dog, inside the home and also outside the home if it is above freezing temps.

      I did not see that page MSotired but nice to hear there is some attention on this subject. There is also vacuums for mites as well as a bunch of information on leaky gut which makes some sense. I ate a chicken crust pepperoni personal pizza one night and the crawling was horrible immediately following. That made me think of leaky gut.

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      Tlc 

      7 weeks ago

      I literally use kleen green for everything. I mop the floors, dust with it, and spray it on my furniture daily along with vacuuming. I also shower with it twice a day, morning and nite and bath my dog in it. I just started my whole house routine 2 days ago but there is already a major improvement. It says it take several days, so im going to do this everyday for at least 7 days.

      I was also researching the difference between kleen green and kleen free. And to my understanding kleen green is the improved formula of kleen free.

      Im still not quite sure what it is yet. I have sticky traps and tape out trying to collect a sample atm. They have a lab you can send it to on kleen greens website.

      Ill def keep yall posted.

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      M Sotired 

      7 weeks ago

      Tlc, that’s really good news. Do you mop the floors with the Kleen Green or just spray it on and leave it?

      I’m just about out of Kleen Green but was mainly using it in the laundry.

      I also was using Kleen Free to spray myself in the shower. Not sure it made that much difference.

      I might order more Kleen Green and start using it throughout the house.

      Do you know what bug you are dealing with? Springtails, maybe?

      Please keep us posted. Good luck.

      M

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      Tlc 

      7 weeks ago

      Hi everyone... good news... I believe i am close to the cure... i order kleen green and it has been working wonders. I started using it 11 days ago and there is a major reduction in these lil critters. I have done all my laundry in it and seal it in trash bag. It took about 10 days to launder everything I own. For the non washables, i put them in the freezer for 3 days jus to make sure they're dead. 2 nights ago i did my bed sheets and pillows... it was the best night of sleep ive have in 7 month. I just ordered some more and im going start on my furniture today. Persistence and patience. I will continue to use this product and fill u in. Fingers crossed there is hope!

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      trina123321 

      7 weeks ago

      will steam cleaning kill them?

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      M sotired 

      7 weeks ago

      Did anyone see this comment on the petition page? Are any medical professionals using this technology in the US?

      “As everyone knows, the doctors don't believe these mites exist because they can't see them. Well, now, the picture has changed. Fuji has a new technology that can see mites on or beneath the skin. It's called Ultrahigh frequency Ultra sound, or Vevo MD. Petition your university medical center to get one and examine people's skin with it. It can see beneath the skin pathogens as small as 60um”

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      itgetsbetter 

      7 weeks ago

      Good suggestion John. I will try changing the filter before I toss my vacuum.

      I think last night was a good representation of dust mites. It was 50 or more degrees yesterday and I had not changed the thin polyester blankets on the plastic covered couch I sleep on for a couple days or more and we had stuff crawling on us last night. I put the blankets in the washing machine and slept on the plastic and no crawling, the dust mites were gone. Temps also did drop to the twenties or less last night so that could also have helped. Cold temps nearly wipe it out, it seems.

      The futon mattress on the couch has the factory plastic, a dust mite proof encasing and then a cheap vinyl casing that is ripped now from the dog since I let her jump wildly on it to wear her out.

      I now have a foot and ankle injury... ball of foot was really sore but now I also have rolled the outside of my ankle on the same foot and it keeps popping out and I have to mess with it to pop it back in. I was walking a ton with the dog on uneven surfaces and do remember rolling it out at least on one occasion. I drive a stick, manual trans and it is the left foot and ankle so pushing on the clutch is really painful sometimes. Fortunately, I work from home so only need to leave to go to the grocery store. I'm wrapping it now and that seems to help a lot.

      I am now planning to blow diatomaceous earth into the walls with a clear ketchup dispenser (like the 22oz Squeeze Bottle with Cap from Walmart.com). I love this idea since it kills everything and I did have a suspicion this was some time of super small winged ant. It appears to be living under the floor possibly too but mostly is likely coming in from outside (since there is almost nothing in freezing temps). Maybe it is in the fireplace I don't use. I won't dust in there so I guess I will have to light it/use it. I keep hearing noise that sounds like a katydid in the wall which can be carpenter ants though it really sounds like a katydid not a bunch of wings flapping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZf-XD5WJo

      I'm praying for a super long winter.

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      kimrossroth 

      7 weeks ago

      Here are a couple of websites on springtails:

      https://www.planetnatural.com/pest-problem-solver/...

      https://www.collembola.org/publicat/sidney.htm

      http://www.bugspray.net/blog/springtail-infestatio...

      https://www.bugspraycart.com/traps/glue/carpet-bee...

      REALLY IMPORTANT TO READ!

      https://www.headlice.org/report/research/jnyes.pdf

      https://www.headlice.org/news/2004/pr071204.htm

      And why was this published in 2004 and doctors are clueless even with internet access available to research this. They have not upheld their oath to do no harm...instead they have had a hand in abuse by allowing us to be tormented and called us delusional.

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      John Eug Dumais 

      8 weeks ago

      For the posting problem, now I copy my comment before clicking "post" because it asks to sign in again and my comment is lost. So I paste my copied comment and it works. Even if I edit my comment, I have to copy it that way to keep the edited new message I want to post...

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      John Eug Dumais 

      8 weeks ago

      Hi everybody. Hi 'Itgetsbetter', I read that diatomaceous earth blocks the filters of vacuums. I had to change the 2 filters of my vacuum machine to get it back to normal vacuuming power, that was restored to 100%. I ordered 2 sets of filters to have one in advance. I'm happy that there are alternative brands of filters on internet much cheaper than the original brand.

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      itgetsbetter 

      8 weeks ago

      1-2 drops tea tree oil in 1 ounce water in a spray bottle seems to wipe it out. I spray everything that could have dust on it including furniture, car, car ceiling, ceilings, carpets and especially wood and even the underside. A heavy coat of baking soda left on carpets seems to end it there but I don't want that on the wood floor.

      Listerine rinse for hair and wiping my face with that is helping a lot too.

      Dust mites do crawl all over people and the darting dust could be due to static electricity. The insulation is dusty to I might have to spray that too somehow cause I think it gets in the ventilation system and blows all over the house.

      The gnats (drain flies, fungus gnats) are dead with the cold temps but I think I have dust mites everywhere and possibly under the wood floor.

      I have used a half cup of baking soda or borax though mostly use a cup of vinegar in the laundry. Bleach ruins clothing though there is color safe bleach. I think the vinegar works great at getting rid of the lint and resulting embedded possibly dust mites.

      I have responded to some of your comments previously but the posting did not stick for some reason so I lost it.

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      Gman74 

      2 months ago

      Hey guys,

      I'm finding that just washing in hot water is not doing the job. I think i may try and spray eucalyptus oil on the bedding. Has anyone had any success doing that? Also, i'm finding that i have alot of excess mucus in the morning. Does anyone experience that? What a pain in the butt..i'd like to take an allergy medication but it makes me drowsy. I was prescribed Ivermectin by my dermatologist so hopefully i get some relief from that. Wading my way through this nightmare. Hope things improve soon!

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      John Eug Dumais 

      2 months ago

      I believe that a steam machine (like the handheld ones) on clothes and furniture with fabric will kill all insects (even the very tiny tiny ones) and their possible eggs. After a number of treatments and months, maybe it's Morgellon's: it was found to be a real disease and more than 90% of patients in a study were positive for the Lyme disease bacteria Borrelia. Other bacteria species were positive too but in smaller percentage. After mites are gone, is there possible long term infections from the mites that will cause the skin to itch ?

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      John Eug Dumais 

      2 months ago

      After my brother in law told me that rubbing alcohol is poison, I switched to other rubbing compound that is with ethanol instead of isopropanol (the old rubbin' alcohol). If it is 95% ethanol, I find it too strong for my skin and dilute it a bit to around 70%.

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      crawfordl 

      2 months ago

      I have thought of more things that I have been having to do. I have two bins that seperate and throw socks into. I soak them in alcohol and add spray and wash for 24 hours. When I go to put them into the washer you can obviously see all of the black specks. I wash them then on hot and dry and then use a garmet shaver to shave off all of the black specs and fuzz balls. I have noticed fuzz balls/lint balls seems to be what they are in. These critters are similar to dust mites in that they are looking for your skin to feed off of. My bedding if it is fuzzy seemed to begin shedding like crazy so I have disposed of or put up any fuzzy blankets it can hide in. Spray every knook, cranny and crevice. I have also bought the plastic zippered bed bug protectors for every mattress, top and bottom. I sprayed every seam of my wood bed frame with the termite/carpentar ant/carpentar bee spray. I am still having to windex and wipe down the plastic covers and even will run a lint roller over it before I make the bed and it is amazing the tiny miniscule specs that appear on the lint roller. I can not emphasis enough the importance of lint rolling the bedding, spray with lysol and come back 10 minutes later to lint roll again. It has been amazing the specs that keep appearing. I wish I had found this blog sooner since everything recommended. I finally feel like we are knocking out their numbers and getting somewhere. I wear in the house plastic flip flops at all times and wash them daily as if I go for more than a couple of days where the plastic touches the top of my foot it starts to itch. I have a spray bottle of rubbing alcohol and spray down the inside of my clothing before I put them on to help dry out any mites.

      My dog is not allowed on the bed since this started and I have to wash her with veterinary clinical formula antiparisitic/antiseborrheic shampoo. (can buy at tractor supply) Fipronil based flea dope is the only one that seems to work. I had even spent $50 and got her the newest one out that treated mites from the vet. It did not work. She seems to know that she is bothered by something and has taken to sleeping on the plastic shower curtains I had thrown on the floor after giving up sleeping on plastic for a few nights. So I am going to wrap up her pet bed in the shower curtains and windex it daily for her. As I also said, it has helped immensely to have her food dishes on a plastic mat and I have diatomaceous earth around the mat so that no mites can get to her food/water.

      As for myself, I began with over the counter threadworm medicine. That helped alot. Over the past 4 months I have since though been doing Ivermectin. And I recently did a 3 day dose of Vermox. Each thing helps a little more. I also ordered up food grade hydrogen peroxide and put a drop in my water. This really helps clear out the bugs if you follow the no sugar/carb diet as well.

      New things that I am trying this week is a TENS machine and zapping areas where I have a rash or seems to have some mites in my skin. It seems to electrocute them possibly or make them so uncomfortable they come out. It seems to be working. I also have been running my hairdryer on those areas and the heat feels so good and seems to kill some out. Epsom salt baths also are good and after 15 minutes the bath water has mites floating in it off of my feet. I am excited to read about the Listerene as I just found this blog today and will be going out to buy some today. I had read last week somewhere about Listerene. I also am going to buy osage orange today and put it out since I do feel alot of what I am finding are spiders that hunt spider mites off of the gmo corn that is planted around us when we do/did the bug killer. Two spotted spider mites are tiny and about impossible to see. Anyway, I will let everyone know if it helps. When this first began we thought it was bird mites. I have purchased miticide and plan on spraying the house down next with that once I finishing going through and getting everything sprayed with the termite spray. I feel that this is not just one invisible bug but a variety and is why it takes numerous products to kill it out. As I spoke of earlier I have also used the hand held bottle of fungicide/miticide/insecticide that you can find in your plant section that is for gardening on the laundry bins and it works. I have some pictures of the bins before spray and after and once again the specs are evident. But anything PYREMETHINE based does not work. We started 4 months ago with that, exterminator used that and I even tried washing some clothes with it. I am hopeful we will get this under control before it destoys are home or we have to move. We have been having those discussions of moving and just leaving everything behind, that is how awful this invisible bug that no one believes is.

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      Lisa Crawford 

      2 months ago

      We have been dealing with this for almost 6 months. The exterminators we have had in do not know what it is and state they have never seen anything like it. We started with food grade diatomaceous earth around the baseboards, trash cans and pet food dishes. We began to see very tiny specs in the powder. We worked to caulk and seal everything in the bathroom. These are so small they will have created the tiniest holes in the caulk for their water supply, especially around sinks and toilets. I have found that if I use the carpentar ant/termite/carpentar bee spray it helps. All Laundry is in very big bins and gets sprayed with miticide/fungi/insecticide from the organic gardening section. Laundry I wash on hot and tried many things from boric acid, hydrogen peroxide, bleach etc.. I found that if I wash the clothing on hot and put in a bottle of rubbing alcohol and let that sit/soak for a half hour before the wash cycle it seems to help. I then Lysol spray articles of clothing before going in drying and let set 10 minutes before I hit dry. Finally, I lint roll everything. Bleach, heat, nothing kills these critters. Bedding must be washed daily, lysol sprayed and lint rolled. Lint roll everything. We also bought uv flashlight to see where it was concentrated. We also bought uv/ozone lights to run while we were away at work. It has ate and made all of the baseboards come off of my walls. It has gotten into the grout and gets under tiles and pops thems off. Once we realized this and not that our house was just getting worn we have begun treatment of everything. Our house is only a year old so it has been devestating to watch this destroy carpet and eat it, cause the wood floors and seams to warp and tiles come up off floors. I have to spray each seam of grout and let it soak in so that it can get down to the subfloor. The same for my wood floors. I have to spray top and bottom of the baseboards because when I sprayed just below that is when they then came out the top and popped the trim off. As for ourselves, we constantly have either demodex mites, head lice or what seems like scabies. We use the perimethin cream when we can get a Dr. to take pity on us and believe we have an ivisible mite. Other wise we use DEET spray to keep them off of us as best as we can. This is a nightmare. It also has infested my car, garage and workplace.

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      kimrossroth 

      2 months ago

      Gman74-I has originally used the Ortho home Defense spray to get rid of them which helped but also had an independent exterminator treat my vehicle last year and it took care of it. I keep the soap and vinegar solution on my drivers side floor mat to catch any that have hitch hiked on my shoes from the stores especially if they are wet-I really try running errands on dry days. I also try to park far away from the store so I can knock off as many as I can before getting back into the vehicle. They are definitely in the stores where I live and restaurants. I put some food under the microscope and found some type of insect or mite. I talked to the state entomologist today and she told me I could send her my samples of the stuff that I swept up from my floors but won’t take the food samples. I will be sending that out tomorrow. I will take the food samples with me to the specialist at the end of the month.

      I am starting to see tiny dead looking mites and also tiny winged insects along the baseboards after spraying the Tempo SC Ultra and the two insect growth regulators (PBO-8 Synergist for mites and Tekko Pro for gnats & midges). The IGR is sprayed every 3 months. If I could only take a shot of this and take care of the ones that I have with ingested. The essential oils are helping to drive them out but will take forever if Icant get them out of food.

      FYI- another way to look up ingredients in a product is looking up the sds sheet (safety data sheet on that product). They will list if the chemicals are hazardous too.

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      Gman74 

      2 months ago

      kimrossroth - Re: getting rid of them in your car. I've been spraying Ortho Home Defense Bed Bug spray. It works really well. These things are so insideous and difficult that i just spray my whole car. Hope that helps!

      Garrison

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      kimrossroth 

      2 months ago

      I still experementing with pheramone traps. The Hot Shot(R) Ultra Liquid Ant Bait

      (Flipped upside down in vinegar solution to force them down into the solution)

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5...

      and

      1 RESCUE! Non-Toxic Wasp, Hornet, Yellowjacket Trap Attractant Refill, 2 Weeks

      (Open the two liquid packs and pour into solution and then open the vial and place in the solution)

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5...

      Both cost around $10. The Rescue was the silver billet to attract the white flying things. I placed the container of solution on the DynaTrap XL by my bed last night and the top of the solution was completely covered this morning. I am waiting to hear from the state entomologist to hand deliver the collection of what ever they are. I have put one of these in the car too.

      FYI I guess it is illegal for exterminators to spay inside vehicles. None of the big name exterminators will do it.

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      M Sotired 

      2 months ago

      itgetsbetter - have you been to mitetreatments.com? There’s a lot of info there, including where it says ACV attracts mites. That’s why I no longer use it.

      The products they sell aren’t available where I live and I received no response when I contacted them about shipping to here. But I think I’ll have to make another attempt. Running out of options. :(

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      TLC 

      2 months ago

      Natural Ginesis - The Mysterious Biting Mite - Bite Back!

      http://www.naturalginesis.com/biting-mites/

      I just order some kleen green... imma give it a try

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      Gman74 

      2 months ago

      Hey there,

      I can definitely relate with everyone on here! I’ve been fighting this itching and biting for nearly 2 years. It’s been an on and off battle that started March 2017. As I’m writing this I can’t believe that I’ve been dealing with this for so long. It began after hanging out with a homeless friend. The itching was primarily at night when I was resting. I put up for it hoping it would go away and finally I decided to spray my entire place and meticulously disinfected everything. It took me until late fall to finally get rid of whatever it is. I relieved! Fast forward to March 2018 where I hang out with this same homeless friend. I’m an idiot I know. I should’ve known but I was just looking to help him. No good deed goes unpunished right? I was sitting down to coffee and literally could feel them moving towards me. At that point I was living with my girlfriend in the city. I then tried to do the same procedure that I did at my cabin. My girlfriend was very apprehensive about what I wanted to do. We sprayed, her place a few times, washed countless times and steam cleaned the carpets. To no avail we didn’t have any luck getting rid of them (I don’t think we did a thorough enough job) and she became very skeptical that it was an actual bug that was causing the problem. To this day she thinks it’s a medical condition. I’m very frustrated with her and feel like she is being very stubborn knowing the facts. She claims that I didn’t get rid of them at my place even though neither one of us felt them later in the year at my place. I’m not sure why she thinks I would lie about this.

      So now I’m going to medical doctors, allergists and recently to a dermatologist. The allergist recommended I take 180mg of Allegra whereas the dermatologist recommended I take Ivermectin which is used to cure scabies. I’m leary about taking the strongest strength Allegra for 2 months and leary about taking the Ivermectin because I have no physical rashes on my skin. I think I may just take both for a little while in see what happens. I do have another doctors appointment on Thursday and they’re going to run some tests for thyroid, immune and other possibilities. In the back of my mind I’m saying wtf because this all started both years after hanging with a homeless friend. I’m basically just going to the appts to placate my gf. I’m really frustrated with her because she can’t seem to connect the dots. Am I crazy to think that? Anyway guys this site is a lifesaver! I’ve tried many of the ideas and it has helped a little but bottom line it’s difficult dealing with the situation when your living with someone who I feel is being unsupportive and not open minded.

      Good Luck Everyone!

      G

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      Janice-M - I read that benzyl alcohol kills dust mites and that would be in line with much other info I have read, say the original dark yellow Listerine as the original poster noted. It has alcohol and some form of benzyl it seems. I also tried rinsing my hair with 1:3 ratio listerine to water last night and I think it worked even better than the ACV. I noticed the tea tree shampoo also has alcohol in it. The baby shampoo has the lauel or laureth something that is also in coconut oil. I believe mites are in the same family as spiders so Terro spider traps might help or anything that kills spiders. I seem to be collecting little seed ticks or somthing like that, maybe spider mites in those traps.

      Isopropyl alcohol definitely instantly killed the spider I sprayed but it is poisonous and flammable so I hesitate to use it a lot. I sterilize combs with it. the OP also said Windex and I think it does help. I think vinegar helps too but others do not agree.

      Most of what I read that gets rid of mites is:

      vacuuming

      sulfur

      benzyl alcohol

      permithrin

      Windex- the original with ammonia D

      heat - 130 degrees

      borax might help with laundry

      DE (diatamaceous earth - careful about inhaling since it is silica so does cause lung probs - You need to wear a mask and there is food grade but I don't use it around my dog since someone said their cat died from breathing issue)

      Some sites I read says only a professional exterminator can get rid of mites but most everyone on the invisible bug type sites with similar circumstances said the exterminators did not work. I will say I just paid over $200 for an exterminator and the prob is better though still a prob since they only did the house. I told them the car, garage, yard, my clothes, the attic all need to be done but they did not do it. Standing water in the yard has to go and the house needs to be sealed (I found a bunch of cocoon type nests that look like spider nests in the window tracks under the screens but they had tiny brownish red dots in them instead typical spider sacs) so the window tracks under the screens etc need to be done, perhaps the sofits in the roof too. I also fogged on my own and it didn't fix it. The exterminator will come back though, for free, so I just need to call them again.

      We are dropping to the twenties tomorrow night and then for a few days so I think that will kill them outside and in the garage and car, hopefully in the attic and window frames too.

      I used vinegar in the laundry and baking soda, previously borax. Since I am using rain gear, like windbreaker slippery material they don't stick much to that material so I don't have much of a prob with that. I also roll my clothes with a sticky lint roller or shake them out but I am not sure that is recommended.

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      Tlc 

      2 months ago

      3 doctors 3 exterminators, and took my dog to the vet and Still no answers... ive been fighting for 7 months now.

      I went on a 2 week vaca and they were still bitteing me while i was away from the home. I disinfected everything with alcohol and packed it in trash bags before i left...

      When i got back home they were still here. So i left everything and went to my parents. I literally brought nothing. I wore my mother's xlothes yet i was still getting bit.

      It has to be something living on the skin but my doctors didn't find anything.

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      TlC 

      2 months ago

      So i went to a dermatologist for skin scrapings and he said it was a yeast rash. I went thru all the medication yet i still seem to be getting bit. Still no solution. My next step is to send in some sticky traps into a lab.

      It did seem to get better now that its winter. I dont think they like the cold. Maybe ill jus put my furniture outside while its below freezing.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      I just looked into the Dettol soap John mentioned below and it appears that hydrocortisone might be a substitute for it though you should ask your doc.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      Thanks for the info John. That sounds possible and accurate more than anything else I have read, especially since I had the ring on my ankle and my dog might have had that too, round bald spot.

      John - Is there a home remedy/substitution for ivermectin?

      I used the tinea athletes foot wash and it did cure my feet, but still getting it in my hair. I have no ring on my ankle or crawling on feet, or rash or anything. One foot still hurts on the ball of the foot which looks totally normal but hurts enough to limp at times.

      I might get the surgery soap etc you mention. I would have to go back to the nurse practitioner again or to the dermatologist she recommended in order to get the prescription for ivermectin weekly and also for permithrin weekly. I asked them to give it to me but they didn't which is irritating since i paid a lot of money for the doc and drugs this summer and it didn't work. In my business, if the product doesn't work for the customer, we figure out how to make it work for them or they get their money back.

      I didn't go to the dermatologist since they would see nothing. I have no rash or bites or anything visible, just crawling and the bugs aren't visible either unless I use lotion and rub them when I feel them crawling. They are tiny black whispy curved barely visible,1mm max. The bumps I had previously looked like heat rash a couple people told me (lice tech and friend). Some are white too, on my face but I think those are folicle mites (normal) since I put one under the microscope and that is what it looked like.

      My stomach does have a few tiny red dots, some flat and some raised which can be nothing (angiomas). Also, there seems to be more freckles than normal (brown dots, salt size just under the skin). I guess the dermotologist might see something with that?

      The house seems better after the cold set in or the exterminator though I think I am being attacked in the car, maybe from the seats so I will spray those too. i was mostly spraying the floor. I need to call the exterminator again to do the car and garage. As much as I explained to the exterminator call center or whoever, over the phone that everything needed to be done: yard, car, garage, clothes, attic, house, they came and bombed and sprayed the house only so of course I still have the prob. I drove South for the new year and it all came back to life in the car, as soon as we hit warmer temps. Miserable.

      It is sick how much money I have wasted on this. All my cotton clothing is bagged and I only use windbreaker material clothing for the most part, like 3 outfits that get washed daily with vinegar and baking soda. If I roll the clothes with the lint roller, I seem to get no crawls at all so sometimes I think the crud is just nesting in my clothes or in the water used to wash my clothes, say midges in whatever water supply.

      For now, I switched to Isopropyl Alcohol though I know I shouldn't use it since it is poison, flamable. DONT get in EYES! It is cheap. I was trying Hydrogen Peroxide in my hair as well as vinegar and I kept feeling crawling so last night I spot treated scalp and face with iso alcolhol and the crawling stopped. I was also using shaved garlic in napkin dipped in olive oil in my ears and there was still crawling though it always seems to help to some extent. I might try again, rubbing the bone behind the ear with a tea tree mix instead.

      I have tested iso alc on a spider. He kept crawling after vinegar and maybe hydrogen peroxide (can't remember if I tried it) but when I sprayed Isopropyl alcholol, he died instantly. Isopropyl Alcohol is poison and it burns in spots, say in my nose, but it is used on ears prior to piercing I think so must be a disinfectant that is okay for skin? Not sure. I don't care anymore. I'm so sick of this prob. It has been going on for 10 months now. At least I sleep most every night now and know how to get rid (temporary fixes).

      The only thing about tinea that does not make sense is that noseeum mesh helps a lot and so does rubber tall boots. tinea would be internal fungus or skin fungus so should be unaffected by the mesh and boots, right?

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      Janice-M 

      2 months ago

      How do you kill environmental mites?

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      John Eug Dumais 

      2 months ago

      It is logic that for mites living on the body out of dead skin pieces, the same treatments that work for scabies mites should work for other mites. There are the creams treatments (permethrin with the good concentration) and the oral pills of ivermectin. The topical treatments must be done a number of times like 3-4 times in 3-4 weeks, according to the instructions. The ivermectin pills can take 6-8 weeks to achieve elimination. The clothes must be decontaminated and put in bags. Then only use some clothes that are washed often, for the time of the treatment by cream or by pills. Family members must be treated too and pets too. A real antiseptic soap is needed, for the skin and the scalp and hair. There is Dettol bar soap, very good. Another very good antiseptic for the skin is povidone-iodine solution or the iodine cleaning solution. // The fact that the problem agent could resist to the heat of the dryer made me think of a fungi, maybe a resistant dermatophyte of the athlete's foot and jock itch kind. Those fungi can be transmitted by clothes and by contact with an infected person. Then it would take a special product for those fungi, in the form of a powder or a cream or then an antifungal drug in pills. The decontamination of clothes must then follow a known precise method to look for on a good web site.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      Hi Tic: Thanks for the video. It looks like follicle mite that is on everyone though some people do get an over population and end up with a problem. I feel like I have this since washing my face, eyebrows, eyelashes, hairline, even with water, helps a lot. An elderly person recently gave me a lemon balm essential oil cream that is made with cocoa butter and sunflower oil and it seemed to help a lot with my face though it is expensive and I was thinking of creating my own. Baby shampoo followed by tea tree helps. I also use dandruff shampoo with pyrithrin.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodex_folliculorum

      I got an exterminator and I don't know if it is helping since it got really cold at the same time but the house does seem better. I drove to a warmer climate for the holiday and as soon as I hit the warmer temps, they started crawling on me so I'm calling them to have my car sprayed (they did not spray the car).

      The pupa I found on my rain gear when I had double layers of rain gear and bright yellow on the bottom layer looks like this pupa which is for a fungus gnat. Fungus gnats also make sense for me to some extent, except the webbing part:

      https://curiousplant.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/1...

      A ring of Vaseline on the neck would stop mites from crawling from your face to your body for a while anyway. (To see if the prob stems from your face). It does seem like treating my face ends it a decent amount of crawling if not all on my body though not always as a lot of some stuff crawls from the ground up which is why I think I have a combo in my house and car, micro moth, spider mite, and/or seed or deer ticks or fleas. In addition to lots of lint, webbing and dust that flies with purpose, I see teeny little brown squares and bigger but little black shiny oval-ish bugs on my spider sticky traps.

      Micro Moth - Some moths are microscopic, have webbing, they all fly and at least some like to land on humans, all nest in clothing. I've seen what looks like casings or cocoons as well as pupa.

      https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/giants-causeway/n...

      I gave the dog a couple flea baths and also a capstar pill for flea and tick. She also has a Soresto collar.

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      kimrossroth 

      2 months ago

      Look up Cimexa

      https://www.domyown.com/cimexa-insecticide-dust-p-...

      I used it the first time I had this issue...it was the last thing the exterminator had given me. Took about a month after I sprinkled around baseboards and backs of cabinets. Husband won’t let me use it in the new house. It sticks to their body and dehydrated them. Clorox with Tilex Mold And Mildew has caustic soda in it. I started spraying the shower after I get out and am wiping the countertops with it also. Too soon to tell results but at least it will help get rid of some of there food sources and burn the crap out of their little bodies.

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      Goldilocks 

      2 months ago

      The reason why people find Windex helpful in killing mites is because of the Metholated Spirits in it. I once had 25 tiny tic's on me. I managed to get some of them out on my stomach but had to get the doctor to get the ones out on my back. He told me to use Metholated Spirits next time. I live in a sub tropical climate so I use metho everytime I have a bite now and it's very effective. Also try washing with Thursday Plantation Tea Tree Soap - that will knock them around.

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      Tlc 

      2 months ago

      https://youtu.be/51z2bO2zP1U

      I think this is the culprit

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      Janice-M 

      2 months ago

      This whole ordeal of invisible mites is taking over my life, and there are days I want to get rid of everything I own and start from scratch. Just can't afford to and I've got keepsakes, things with meaning. What works? I've spent hours and hours reading and researching. Tried the Ted from Bangkok's protocol of Borax solution and Hydrogen peroxide on my back and neck after shower, seems to work pretty well. Can't clear them out of my environment no matter how much I clean, spray with lysol, 91% alcohol, peppermint/eucalyptus essential oils.

      Haven't tried neem except in a soap I use. I read that Dove Soap and Dr. Bonner's castile soap are like insecticides. Trying both. If I can't get them out of my environment, then they just get on my clothing. Have to get them out. They're now in my kitchen because it's moist in there? Please I would appreciate any environmental protocols or solutions you might have that worked for you. Thank you

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      M Sotired 

      2 months ago

      Itgetsbetter - The herbs Dr Darren Schmidt uses are from Systemic Formulas (.com).

      Any idea which ones? I’ll read thru all the ingredients and take a guess, I suppose.

      Not sure if they sell direct to the public or only thru practitioners?

      Has anyone here tried them? Are they expensive?

      Thank you, IGB for the lead to this doctor, he may be our only help!

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      M Sotired 

      2 months ago

      Has anyone else realized that the Topix forums are gone? There was so much information on there, and evidence of other people suffering this.

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      M Sotired 

      2 months ago

      Thanks Lynbooke - will try the Biotin, even though I am 100% sure I don't have Formication. I hope you continue to improve. We all want to get well so bad.

      kimrossroth, I've been wondering about you, sorry things have gotten worse. You always provide good information. I'm going to try Dawn too.

      I'm sending you an email, from fxxxxxxxxxx@ihug.com.xx (so you know it's me).

      M

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      kimrossroth 

      2 months ago

      Interesting reads:

      (Crawling after using toilet paper)

      Tissue paper...

      https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3a12/03810d8d0a2a...

      Tiny white flying insects

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-...

      https://seeds.ca/pollination/tales/chocolate-fly

      Cedar Gnat-from an audiologist...

      https://hearinghealthmatters.org/waynesworld/2011/...

      This summer my scalp was attacked as I was bent over by a juniper/cedar tree and had the biting but couldn’t see them.

      The weird thing is that I am burning a evergreen scented candle which is in front of me and I am seeing the same collection of glaze on the wax as I do in the soap and vinegar traps.

      I made chili over the weekend and mixed some of the hamburger grease with some organic coconut oil in a bowl and placed the Hot Shot ant bait in the center to give the sweet and greasy attractiveness that I am finding they love. They were collecting on top of that too over time. I have scraped the top collections and put them in another container and want to take them to the state ediomologist. Will keep you posted.

      I made the chili with lots of cayenne pepper which they are not liking. Also noticed that they don’t like tomatoes so I looked that up and thiamine (B1) is offensive to insects due to sulphuric smell. I think I will try the biotin too.

      I ran out of Neem this morning so drove an hour and a half to find 1 bottle. But I did find 2 bottles of the Neem oil. So I get in the car and pop the dabber in my mouth to taste it...it is so gross and pungent. I picked up a separate mixing container and added the grapefruit oil 30 drops, cinnamon cassia 10 drops, Chinese star anise 20 drops, Neem oil 15 drops. There is no rhyme or reason to how many drops I put in other than Neem and cinnamon are really strong. I am going to put a drop on my tongue when needed throughout the day to get them out of my mouth after I eat. I am still doing the grapefruit, Thyme, McCormick anise extract (it’s diluted with alcohol) at night when I go to bed.

      Yeah and you all posted about mold and water leaks....my new house built a year ago...I am so livid...I ran the garbage disposal the other night and then walked around the counter and I had a lake of water coming from underneath it. Custom wood cabinet water damage, vinyl flooring is warping, went down stairs and have water damage in 2 rooms on the ceiling. I told the husband over 2 months ago that there was water coming from somewhere because the floor mat was always wet underneath. The plumber that was part of the build can get here in a week. Husband still wants to separate so it may not matter.

      I used Tempo SC Ultra because they are getting bad again and now I know why. I have to reapply every 7 days and can take 21 days to work on life cycles (mites, springtails, mosquitoes, gnats,midges)

      I will not give up! Using the blue Dawn to wipe down countertops and am using it now in the shower on me. It’s suppose to weaken the exoskeleton on soft bodied bugs and or suffocate them.

      M Sotired...email me when you get a chance at itsflyingby@outlook.com

      Could use a friend :)

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      Lynbooke@me.com 

      2 months ago

      Hi Everyone, I suffered the biting and itching AND washing everything in sight for three years and was convinced I had bird mites but could never see anything anyway SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS I had vitamin, mineral and intolerance testing done and found that I was 100% deficient in biotin which causes formication which is the feeling of ants crawling under or on the skin and the biting feeling comes with the nerve endings playing up. Anyway I ran down to the health food store and bought the biotin and immediately 90% of my symptoms disappeared after awhile I also took a multi B and the rest went. When I don’t take it, after awhile the symptoms come back. I have the testing done every year now just to be safe. I am 55 a lady and I was really going ‘down hill’ but now I am robust and strong again. My daughter also suffered too and told me it couldn’t be a vitamin, that it had to be bugs finally gave in and started taking a multi B and she is now ok too as the complaining has stopped. Lol I wish you all luck. The Drs weren’t able to help me as they only test for specific things and biotin is considered as very rare to have a deficiency in it.

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      briteyes50 

      2 months ago

      itgetsbetter - I smoked (quit again cold turkey) & burned incense - nothing for me! Seems like the smoking made it worse. Im battling lung cancer rite now & luckily it is stage 1 & hasnt spread - will find out tomorrow when to expect surgery. Just wish I knew what I was fighting - I do believe they are flyers that blend in with the surroundings - I have no clue. I have an excellent bowel movement everyday, I eat very healthy, take vitamins & just added neem leaf capsules to my protocol. Its only been since July, but this is getting on my very last nerve, although some days are better than others - I think like you say the weather is cooler here in FL but will be warmer in the wk ahead (in the 80's). Luv reading yr posts!!

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      Has anyone tried incense? Someone said smoking for two weeks before bed got rid of them. Bugs hate smoke. I'm not starting smoking but might try incense.

      Freezing temps put a damper on it again. I'm looking forward to January since it is supposed to drop to the twenties every night. Hopefully that will wipe this out. We still get up to 60 some days in December so it is still thriving at times.

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      itgetsbetter 

      2 months ago

      I put spider sticky traps (Terro ) in the car and there were 2 black shiny cube like bugs and a brown bug within a few hours. Maybe brown dog ticks?

      Spider traps should work for ticks and mites too I read somewhere.

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/1505...

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      Jewel 

      2 months ago

      Often I’ve found it’s all the humidity from constant washing of clothing. Then mold mites come on. Thousands of them. AND you can’t leave your pet food out overnight! It’s another good source. Great shower advice here. I also rub my lotion on w teatree drops added. I try to go as LONG as possible between laundry loads. I also added “damprid” buckets to laundry room. Ventilation is very important. Damp dust first, before They love electronics too, damp dust! Keep your areas ventilated. Hang clothing if at all possible rather than pile in drawers. Humidity is the culprit quite often. Mold mites, grain mites, carpet beetles all love humidity n get on walls n under furniture etc. Brush out animals outside n often n use animal wipes to clean their faces n paws n bellies n tails n private’s. I’ve found cotton sheets provide good moisture wicking away from the body. I clean ears w alcohol. Have someone clean out ur washer w a spanner wrench for MOLD. Look for mold or moisture everywhere!! Rid of it!! It’s helping me. Vacumme ur car n often. Leave windows open when u can to air it out. Same at home if humidity is low...suction window seals n damn dust window sills. Humidity is a key factor in this battle... n pet food n some feed on crumbs, dust, pet fur, but loooove humidity!!

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      M Sotired 

      2 months ago

      Mandy, I have similar experiences. And have my hair tied back, when possible, to keep it away from my face and ears. It’s like whatever is in my hair is trying to seek out whatever is on my skin.

      Last night I had the movement and was trying to justify it due to the humidity, the full moon or the (non-existent) breeze in my bathroom! I wasn’t successful in convincing myself.

      They are in my pores and hair follicles, my hands and feet are especially bad.

      I have been working on trying to cure this internally, but after seeing the you tube videos from Dr Darren Schmidt I will also place more effort on trying to cure the ears. There are a couple of tinctures he recommends. Pau D’arco, Goldenseal as well as colloidal silver. I already am using clove oil, thyme oil, oregano oil, neem oil and a mullein garlic ear oil.

      But to be honest I have no real confidence in anything. I just hope somehow it’s all over soon. I have no will to live my life like this. It’s only a matter of time before I’ve lost everything.

      The bug boards I put in my guest bedroom now have small tiny black bugs stuck to them. Without magnification they appear to be juvenile springtails. I did have 3 adult ones in my bathroom over the last two weeks. That’s what I think I’m dealing with.

      M

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      Mandy 

      2 months ago

      So I have discovered the things are in my hair follicles. I am wondering if they come out of me into my environment or if the environment exposes them to me and that’s when they climb aboard my hair follicles. Two recent occasions I have witnessed a ‘hair’ on my arm and one on eyebrow that sways around and moves like a serpent. It literally moves like its trying to grab hold of something or find a match to latch onto. It bends in half as well Ike it’s alive or something. Have to look very very close almost w/ magnifying glass if vision isnt well, It’s so bizarre that I actually pulled my phone out and recorded it so watch back to make sure I’m not hallucinating! I wish I could post them! I’m not sure who to show them to because after 3 yrs of this crap I fear who I can trust and don’t want to be locked up involuntarily on a 5150 psychiatric hold!!! Has anyone else witnessed them on your hair follicle?! It’s absolutely flippin crazy to see it!! It’s like a ‘plastic looking hair’ that just moves around by itself like it’s alive! It doesn’t look like any other hair as it has no color. It’s literally clear and looks like plastic! Wonder if demodex mites have evolved into these or if they have been genetically modified to this bizarre s@i$!!! Has anyone experienced this?! :(

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      Mike m. 

      2 months ago

      .I been dealing with this issue for a year now its gotten worse doctors wont help they first gave me the scabies cream i used it but was homeless so i failed to do it right the first time but now im in a better living situation and got things flying around me at night bumps all over my face and body scars cuts i cant explain how i got them i itch and feel things crawling putta my feet i check my socks and only find alot of lint and lint balls after just one day of wearing the socks my shoes have little black balls everywhere even my clothes i also have a weird smell that come off me when i try and pick them off like the smell of feet im told i cant smell it though please help me im going crazy like im nasty and dont know how to take care of myself anymore and that aint just true

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      itgetsbetter 

      3 months ago

      Thanks briteyes50, If you know for sure it is under your skin, I watched a video from Dr. Darren Schmidt that you might want to go to a holistic doc since regular doctors won't do anything about parasites unless you said you were in another country. Dr. Darren Schmidt on youtube said tons of people have parasites in the US now. He recommended para1 or para2 I think in a video though you would want to find out what it is first. he said we should be de-worming ourselves at least once a year like they do in other countries.

      I also was just reading about leaky gut and auto immune disease that could be relevant.

      I put noseeum mesh on (socks pants and head cover and a wind breaker top) and almost always have virtually no crawls so I am 99% sure this is external for me. The only way I would have crawls after putting mesh on is if they are in the clothing I'm wearing or if they were on my skin when I put the mesh on. I put something on and just have a couple crawls. I kill them and then put the mesh on and it is over. They are easy to kill on my skin. When I feel them crawl, I scratch hard enough to squish them and then put the mesh on and it is over. This has been the case only since I started wearing clothing that is not infested, like rain gear or windbreaker material, polyester slippery material. If something is infested, I soak it in bleach water in a bin for a day or more.

      I still wonder though if my immune system is weak and that is why they are on me a lot and also because i was eating lots of sugar and carbs previously which would attract bugs. i remember a girl who used to get attacked by mosquitoes when no one else would and it made sense that she was eating lots of carbs and sugars and none of the rest of us were. She also had sinus infections and that can be related to parasites too.

      Mostly, I think I need to continue sealing and cleaning the house and that this problem is all over, in the stores too. We still have warm temps and there was a dramatic decrease when it hit 24 degrees a few nights in a row.

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      briteyes50 

      3 months ago

      Glad to hear you are doing better itgetsbetter!! I have a cpl of days where there is minimum biting but always feel the inside crawling under my skin. Some of the suckers are ankle biters that burn (where there is no fabric touch my skin at all, some when they bite itch, others sting. It doesnt matter what type of clothing I have or even if I have no clothing on at all - I still cannot see them but sure do feel them. I live in a motor home now at a rv resort - less to keep clean. I follow a cpl of g rps on FB - but get soooooo confused as to all the protocols these ppl follow. I just order some neem capsules that is now added to my protocol. I keep praying all of us will find a cure - my heart goes out to all!!

      Geronimo - If you are on FB, there are a few support grps that possibly help you - one is Human Parasites Support Network & the other is Skin Mites Support Group - they are all private grps & a person does have to be accepted to join the groups by answering 3 questions - just to make sure they are legite! All the best.

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      itgetsbetter 

      3 months ago

      Again it is way better and the temps have been warmish so I'm thinking it is not necessarily related to temperature. It is day 2 or 3 of it being better though and it seems to hatch on day 4 -5 or something... not sure of the time frame of if that is what is happening.

      I thought sealing under the kitchen sink did the trick though I still have a few crawls here and there it is way better. If the kitchen sink seal fixed the problem, it would be drain flies which is what the county health dept thinks it is. They are smaller than midges. I think I need to complete the seal since it was a faulty can of great stuff I used to seal the opening around the pipes.

      I am making sure there is nothing crawling in my ears, using mineral oil and other things though I read mineral oil is all you should use. Ear mites from the dog is something I have considered.

      I also went nuts cleaning the floor with the sticky tape lint roller that is like a paint roller for ceilings. I realize now that no vacuum works to get everything up. I do see a ton of little dots on the tape and it is a ridiculous amount considering how many times I roll the hardwood floor. There is no way my dog brings that much dirt in the house since she sleeps on the couch most of the day. I can roll it 5 times in the same area and still see little brown or black dots. It must be mites or seed ticks or some type of tiny flea, ant, or chigger.

      The dog also has little dots all over her often so I brush her backwards and roll her with a hand tape lint roller and it helps a lot.

      I'm also focused on the keto diet, eating lots of fat and red meat which is making me feel a lot better, stronger, less tired. I'm eating parasite killing foods like garlic and jalepenos.

      Rolling clothing and sofa and using all slippery clothing, windbreaker and noseeum mesh pants and socks for sleeping has made a big dif for me too. I almost feel normal now.

      Spraying the sofa and thin fleece blankets with vinegar also is helping.

      I sealed the back door with a new easy to press in weather stripping, no glue or tape needed.

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      Hubpagesuser12345 

      3 months ago

      Install wood flooring, paint, clean, shower twice daily, wash bedding and towels daily. Wash everything down with 91% isopropyl and Windex. Spray everything with tea tree oil including your face and hair. Use lavender body wash, and safeguard soap, and Hibiclens every other day. And the magic ingredient... cannabis. I was struggling for over two months with itching on my face and bites at my temples. After a couple of weeks of smoking before bed, they are gone. Maybe they don't like the smell or the taste, maybe it was a coincidence. All I can say is that it worked for me. Good luck.

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      Geronimo 

      3 months ago

      i've tried any and everything you could possibly find or think of. suicide is always at the back of your mind. thats how bad they are. dealing w them over 6 tears. spent way over $150,000 trying to get rid of these fucking, terrorizing bugs. light a tall candle in your house and watch what happens. if urs is bad as mine then ur smoke detector will eventually alarm. i dn't know how much lnger i can do this. i have no friends no one in my life. i stay away from family and everyone that was in my life. cost me a marriage and a home. The government i think created this shit in a lab and somehow some escaped. just my opinion.

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      Gman74 

      3 months ago

      Hey Mandy,

      Yeah i've had them in my car too. I've use Ortho Home Defense and it does a pretty good job. It comes in an aerosol can and you can buy it at Home Depot. Good luck!

      Garrison

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      Mandy 

      3 months ago

      Gman I know exactly how you feel! I was in a relationship but noticed he was scratching around me so I broke it off. I couldn’t bear looking at him knowing I was the reason he was scratching. I couldn’t allow him to get close to me as I would pull away. I never mentioned this to him. I know shame on me but I live in a small town and people would talk. Next thing I would be labeled a druggie or psycho so I kept it to myself. It sucks because I never pictured my life going this way as NONE of us did! Wonder what we did to deserve this punishment! :(

      Last night I went through and wiped all my walls down and found they hang out on the walls in dirt and small cobwebs. The cobwebs bit me and upon closer examination I noticed as I was wiping these very very small black things were on the walls...very tiny bugs. I wish we could post pics on here :(. I think I slept better but then again maybe my body just shut down for the night from exhaustion. Who knows?! Anyhow can someone help recommend something to use in my car? Any luck from sprinkling borax on the floorboards anyone? They love my car and jump on me when I get in it. They fly or jump at my face driving down the road. I’m not sure how to get them out of there. Anyone have any suggestions? I’m at absolute wits end!

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      M Sotired 

      3 months ago

      Itgetsbetter, that’s very interesting information about the ears. I have tried several things, with limited success. I think I’ve damaged one of my eardrums recently by not being careful enough. But will try applying essential oils behind the ears as he suggests. Might buy colloidal silver again too.

      What herbs do you think might be effective?

      I’m a bit behind on these posts. Sorry if I haven’t answered/responded to anyone. My phone was broken for 5 days.

      Mandy, I know how you feel. I can’t do this much longer. It is the most pain I’ve ever experienced, and I’ve had some difficult times. If not for this place I’d be rock bottom. :(

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      Gman74 

      3 months ago

      Oh man really? There was something in my gut that was telling me not to take it. What are the chances that i will be one of the ones that it will help. What are the odds? Good grief this is like russian roulette. Anyway, i'm really bummed because this is destroying a really incredible relationship between my girlfriend and I. I've had to move to my own apartment. Sad. : (

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