Are You Being Eaten by Invisible Bugs?

Updated on January 8, 2016

If you are being plagued by invisible biting bugs, you have come to the right place. Although I do not know what was infesting our family, our home, and our lives, I'm sharing what we did to help get rid of them.

Freedom was NOT an overnight thing or something that came quickly or easily.

If none of the recommendations on this page help you, it is my wish for you to never to give up the fight. You must pray for courage and strength and go into attack mode on this 21st-century plague.

Maybe you thought the bugs were going to go away on their own. Maybe you question if it's really happening.

You have rashes. You feel bites. It feels like something is crawling around your face, head, and hairline. You can't find any answers on the Internet, only more questions.

You find many products claiming that they can get rid of these mites but after trying a few, some of which might be high dollar, you begin to lose hope. The companies may even put you on their mailing list, sending you emails that use terror to get you to order more products in greater and greater quantities.

I know what you're going through. Initially, my family also ordered a ton of online remedies but they were all a waste of time and money. Instead, healing only came once we made a plan and stuck to it.

Don't give up hope. Please know that you can and will feel better, but you cannot give up hope.

Unable to find answers on the Internet or from doctors, I went frantic trying to get someone to believe me and felt terror at the thought that I would never rid myself or my family of the mites. I fell into a deep depression because I felt so helpless, at the mercy of something I couldn't even see.

With persistence, however, I beat them. You can too.

The Bite-Mite Protocol

I will not go into detail of how this started or how doctors ignored us. Instead, I will tell you how I was able to rid my family of five (including myself) of these invisible biting mites. This is the protocol that we used.

Permethrin Cream

Permethrin is an anti-parasitic that can treat head lice and scabies.

Though the creams seemed pretty much useless in ridding ourselves of the mites completely, they did help keep the mites off of us. Sometimes it seemed to make the mites mad, and they bit worse, but eventually they died. We were able to use the permethrin cream to get the mites off of my five- and six-year-old children.

Warning: Do not try to use the cream more often than prescribed. I did this once trying to get a good night's sleep and woke up very sick. I thought I was going to pass out but luckily I made it to the shower. I felt better after I washed it off, but I could still feel the toxic effects.

I realized that Windex original does kill the mites, but you need to spray a lot of it. You will need a respirator from a hardware store — the kind that is used to spray pesticides. Spraying everything in our house seemed to bring the number of mites way down.

  • Use the Windex to spray out your cars, homes, and work area wherever you work. I work in an office building, and Windex did not look out of place there.
  • When you spray your home, make sure to reach the ceilings, walls, floors, and every nook and cranny.
  • I would spray my car as I exited, since it isn't really safe to drive with a mask on, and it can bother your eyes if you spray too heavily with the Windex and then immediately enter the car to drive.

What to Avoid

I did try spraying with plain ammonia, but the results were not half as good as Windex. Also, you need to be careful of mixing bleach with Windex because the Ammonia-D in it and the bleach will make toxic fumes. Do not spray these chemicals right after each other.

Though the Windex did not stain our off-white carpet, you should still use caution when spraying it on light-colored items of value.

Listerine

As you probably already know, regular showers with soap, water, and shampoo have no effect on the bugs.

I found that spraying original Listerine on me in the shower from a spray bottle helped rinse the mites off. It seemed to bother them enough so they let go. The crawling feeling would also go away so I could sleep better and concentrate at work.

Listerine may also help wash off scents you are marked with, or at least disrupt pheromone communication between the mites.

  • In the shower, I would back away from the water, spray myself with the Listerine, and wait as long as I could before I rinsed it off. The first times you do this, it seems to burn. You might try diluting it with water at first if need be.
  • Spray the shower floor with Windex after showering because the Listerine doesn't seem to kill the mites and the shower floor was covered with ones that were washed off but not killed.
  • Spray your feet several times (while in the shower) because a lot of mites seem to try to hold on to your feet and they will become infested.
  • Also, after a few days of sitting, the spray bottle seems to weaken the strength of the Listerine, so make fresh batches regularly.

Ivermectin

Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic that can treat infections caused by roundworms, threadworms, and other parasites. It must be prescribed by a doctor.

After we started to use Ivermectin on a weekly basis, we noticed a big difference.

Tell your doctor to prescribe it for you since it is now considered a first line of defense in dealing with sarcoptic mites. If you do start using it, make sure to not drink any alcohol since it can cause serious reactions.

I had read about people getting good results after they stopped eating sugar so I decided to give it a try.

After about two to three days I noticed a big improvement and so did my wife. If possible, start a candida diet. The mites seem to be attracted to people with infections or fungus problems.

Some Recommendations

  • A basic candida diet means avoiding sugar, alcohol, grains and glutinous foods, fruit, starchy or sweet vegetables, processed meats, dairy (except butter), and beans and legumes (as well as a few other things).
  • Easy sugars and carbohydrates to cut out of your diet include any sugar you're adding to drinks, or consuming in drink form (including smoothies, fruit juice, and sugary coffee drinks), all forms of bread and desserts, and almost all snacks (like dried fruit and nut mixes, chips, and candies.)

Improve Your Immune System

Some people who have had problems with these invisible biting mites also are immunosuppressed. My 15-year-old is on immunosuppressive drugs, and I feel that also led us to have more problems with getting rid of the bugs.

Increasing your overall health means getting as much sleep as possible, eating well, and engaging in regular exercise.

Some Tips on Sleep

This is a hard one because these mites really disrupt sleep patterns.

  • Showering with Listerine (as mentioned above) right before bed seemed to help a lot.
  • Sheets need to be washed daily (see below).
  • Spray the plastic cover of your bed a few times a day with Windex and wipe it off afterwards. Be sure not to spray right before bed!

Cleaning Tips

  • I cleaned every possible surface with Windex.
  • I tried sprinkling many different things in our carpets. Borax seemed to work the best.
  • Don't forget to sprinkle it on the car carpets too.
  • I mopped with 20 Mule Borax. It made our hardwood floors look terrible, but gave us good results with the mites. You can find it at the grocery store near the laundry detergent because it is listed as a laundry booster.
  • It also helped to put borax in my shoes since they would quickly get infested.

Laundry Tips

These things breed in dirty clothes. The biting after doing laundry was unbearable until I figured out the washing routine. Here's what I recommend:

  • Bag and seal dirty clothes in trash bags until you're ready to wash them.
  • Wash clothes with bleach, detergent, and 20 Mule Borax in every load.
  • Try not to drop the clothes out of the bag into the washing machine from a high distance. This could cause mites to be carried back to your face and head on the displaced air.
  • Throw away used trash bags quickly. Do not reuse.
  • Using the dryer and drying clothes for long periods of time didn't work to kill the bugs.

Bedding

  • Get dust mite mattress covers with a zipper and seal up your mattress.
  • Spray it with Windex several times during the day and pull your bed away from the wall.
  • Some people have to throw away their mattress and get an air mattress until the mites are gone since air mattresses are easier to clean.

MSM Cream

MSM is a chemical found in plants, animals, and humans. It can also be made in a laboratory and people use it as a medicine for a variety of ailments.

We found that making an MSM cream was very effective. You can find all the ingredients you need at a vitamin store or pharmacy. Here's how we did it:

  • Mix one-part powdered MSM to 12-parts hand cream of your choice with 1/2 teaspoon of tea tree oil. Microwave for 15 seconds and stir.
  • Apply cream all over your body to dry out and repel the mites.

Any person or animal you can remove from your environment is one less host for these things.

Luckily for us, my mother was able to watch my two younger children, take them to school, and pick them up from school for three to four months while we worked on eliminating the bugs.

If you're able to do something similar, you should.

Ozone Generators

An ozone generator is a machine that creates ozone, which is a type of oxygen molecule.

Ozone generators have proven to be a great source of help to those who use them. I've never used one but people who do see results rather quickly.

Use caution because you need to do certain areas of your home one at a time and then air out the rooms. You should not breathe ozone at all, so exercise extreme caution if you try this method.

Some people use propane heaters to heat up their home and cars to above 130 degrees for a few hours and they've seen success with getting rid of the bugs.

You can hire someone to do this for you, but it will be expensive.

In fact, someone even posted that when they called a company to do this, they were told that the company is not responsible if anything gets melted and that the heat treatment would cost $10,000 dollars.

If you do this, research beforehand and think about the risks involved. I cannot be responsible for any damages.

Diatomaceous Earth (DE): Kill Bugs Without Chemicals

Diatomaceous earth is an off-white talc-like powder made up of the fossilized remains of marine phytoplankton. Up close, it looks like shards of glass. On any beetle-type insect, DE gets under the shell and punctures the body, causing the bug to die.

Many people have used this product in living spaces to help get rid of bugs in their environment. A duster will help spread the DE. Remember to use a dust mask when spreading it.

What Didn't Help Us

Enzyme cleaners and peppermint sprays did not work for us at all.

Many people do get relief using enzyme cleaners, but since it cost 95 dollars and did nothing for our mites, I feel I should mention that it was a waste of money. Some people could use the 95 dollars another way.

Online scabies and lice medicines did not help at all either.

Be Careful of Bold Claims by Companies

Some companies that claim a very high rate of success never called to see if their product worked for us. My question is how they can claim such a rate if they never call people back to see if it worked?

It's possible that they just go by the return rate and assume that everybody that did not return the products are healed. I did not write this to bash any companies. I'm only saying this to help people find a solution to their nightmare.

You Can Beat This

These mites can be beaten. My family and I are a living example. Try and relax. Don't think about the bugs too much. Stress is a big contributor to immune system problems. Take vitamins, exercise if possible, and pray.

Find discussion groups like the ones mentioned below and join in:

  • Scabies Support Group: Even though these mites are not scabies, this group of people will understand what you are going through. I learned all my cleaning methods there.
  • Birdmites.org: There's a good discussion group here.

You're Not Alone

Isolation is a big problem with these mites, and that can lead to depression. You need to talk about these issues with others. I found that the only people who really understand are those who are going through something similar.

Most non-affected people make a joke about it, change the subject, or offer simple, useless advice because they don't really understand what is going on. But that's okay. There are a lot of people who do understand. Post questions or helpful hints below. You need to communicate with others, even if we can't help.

Don't bottle it up.

Stay in it for the Long Haul

Also, remember this is a long fight. There were no silver bullets for us. Even if the doctors could have identified the problem, it would have been a long process.

Keep that in mind so you don't get discouraged. A lot of people feel that if they can just prove to the doctor they are really suffering and it's not just in their head that the doctors will be able to give them a magic pill.

That would be nice, but please don't get your hopes up. Remember that the healing will come, but it is a slow process.

I hope this helps others. It is how we were able to get back to a normal life after almost ten months of misery. I hope this will help other people and families. God bless you.

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        John Eug Dumais 

        25 hours ago

        For the posting problem, now I copy my comment before clicking "post" because it asks to sign in again and my comment is lost. So I paste my copied comment and it works. Even if I edit my comment, I have to copy it that way to keep the edited new message I want to post...

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        John Eug Dumais 

        25 hours ago

        Hi everybody. Hi 'Itgetsbetter', I read that diatomaceous earth blocks the filters of vacuums. I had to change the 2 filters of my vacuum machine to get it back to normal vacuuming power, that was restored to 100%. I ordered 2 sets of filters to have one in advance. I'm happy that there are alternative brands of filters on internet much cheaper than the original brand.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 days ago

        DE or Diamtomaceous Earth will RUIN A NORMAL VACUUM and I think that could also be true for baking soda and borax so I use a shop vac and am getting a super long hose for it so I don't have to drag the canister around. You can get 15-50 foot of hose for shop vacs.

        I noticed that mopping with Murphy's soap oil helped more than vacuuming the other day. I think it might have cedar oil in it though it doesn't say that on the ingredients. The problem with most vacuums is they blow air out and because these are so small, it might be blowing a lot of dust out. I believe the HEPA filter could be the answer for that but there seems to be differing opinions on that.

        Here are the vacuum particle smoke tests. I'm not sure how valid the tests are but I spray and dust after vacuuming and always use dust polish with oil in it so it is not stirring the stuff up either:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOq0ORDtg

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynesWYW-s2M

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 days ago

        1-2 drops tea tree oil in 1 ounce water in a spray bottle seems to wipe it out. I spray everything that could have dust on it including furniture, car, car ceiling, ceilings, carpets and especially wood and even the underside. A heavy coat of baking soda left on carpets seems to end it there but I don't want that on the wood floor.

        Listerine rinse for hair and wiping my face with that is helping a lot too.

        Dust mites do crawl all over people and the darting dust could be due to static electricity. The insulation is dusty to I might have to spray that too somehow cause I think it gets in the ventilation system and blows all over the house.

        The gnats (drain flies, fungus gnats) are dead with the cold temps but I think I have dust mites everywhere and possibly under the wood floor.

        I have used a half cup of baking soda or borax though mostly use a cup of vinegar in the laundry. Bleach ruins clothing though there is color safe bleach. I think the vinegar works great at getting rid of the lint and resulting embedded possibly dust mites.

        I have responded to some of your comments previously but the posting did not stick for some reason so I lost it.

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        Gman74 

        5 days ago

        Hey guys,

        I'm finding that just washing in hot water is not doing the job. I think i may try and spray eucalyptus oil on the bedding. Has anyone had any success doing that? Also, i'm finding that i have alot of excess mucus in the morning. Does anyone experience that? What a pain in the butt..i'd like to take an allergy medication but it makes me drowsy. I was prescribed Ivermectin by my dermatologist so hopefully i get some relief from that. Wading my way through this nightmare. Hope things improve soon!

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        John Eug Dumais 

        9 days ago

        I believe that a steam machine (like the handheld ones) on clothes and furniture with fabric will kill all insects (even the very tiny tiny ones) and their possible eggs. After a number of treatments and months, maybe it's Morgellon's: it was found to be a real disease and more than 90% of patients in a study were positive for the Lyme disease bacteria Borrelia. Other bacteria species were positive too but in smaller percentage. After mites are gone, is there possible long term infections from the mites that will cause the skin to itch ?

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        John Eug Dumais 

        9 days ago

        After my brother in law told me that rubbing alcohol is poison, I switched to other rubbing compound that is with ethanol instead of isopropanol (the old rubbin' alcohol). If it is 95% ethanol, I find it too strong for my skin and dilute it a bit to around 70%.

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        crawfordl 

        10 days ago

        I have thought of more things that I have been having to do. I have two bins that seperate and throw socks into. I soak them in alcohol and add spray and wash for 24 hours. When I go to put them into the washer you can obviously see all of the black specks. I wash them then on hot and dry and then use a garmet shaver to shave off all of the black specs and fuzz balls. I have noticed fuzz balls/lint balls seems to be what they are in. These critters are similar to dust mites in that they are looking for your skin to feed off of. My bedding if it is fuzzy seemed to begin shedding like crazy so I have disposed of or put up any fuzzy blankets it can hide in. Spray every knook, cranny and crevice. I have also bought the plastic zippered bed bug protectors for every mattress, top and bottom. I sprayed every seam of my wood bed frame with the termite/carpentar ant/carpentar bee spray. I am still having to windex and wipe down the plastic covers and even will run a lint roller over it before I make the bed and it is amazing the tiny miniscule specs that appear on the lint roller. I can not emphasis enough the importance of lint rolling the bedding, spray with lysol and come back 10 minutes later to lint roll again. It has been amazing the specs that keep appearing. I wish I had found this blog sooner since everything recommended. I finally feel like we are knocking out their numbers and getting somewhere. I wear in the house plastic flip flops at all times and wash them daily as if I go for more than a couple of days where the plastic touches the top of my foot it starts to itch. I have a spray bottle of rubbing alcohol and spray down the inside of my clothing before I put them on to help dry out any mites.

        My dog is not allowed on the bed since this started and I have to wash her with veterinary clinical formula antiparisitic/antiseborrheic shampoo. (can buy at tractor supply) Fipronil based flea dope is the only one that seems to work. I had even spent $50 and got her the newest one out that treated mites from the vet. It did not work. She seems to know that she is bothered by something and has taken to sleeping on the plastic shower curtains I had thrown on the floor after giving up sleeping on plastic for a few nights. So I am going to wrap up her pet bed in the shower curtains and windex it daily for her. As I also said, it has helped immensely to have her food dishes on a plastic mat and I have diatomaceous earth around the mat so that no mites can get to her food/water.

        As for myself, I began with over the counter threadworm medicine. That helped alot. Over the past 4 months I have since though been doing Ivermectin. And I recently did a 3 day dose of Vermox. Each thing helps a little more. I also ordered up food grade hydrogen peroxide and put a drop in my water. This really helps clear out the bugs if you follow the no sugar/carb diet as well.

        New things that I am trying this week is a TENS machine and zapping areas where I have a rash or seems to have some mites in my skin. It seems to electrocute them possibly or make them so uncomfortable they come out. It seems to be working. I also have been running my hairdryer on those areas and the heat feels so good and seems to kill some out. Epsom salt baths also are good and after 15 minutes the bath water has mites floating in it off of my feet. I am excited to read about the Listerene as I just found this blog today and will be going out to buy some today. I had read last week somewhere about Listerene. I also am going to buy osage orange today and put it out since I do feel alot of what I am finding are spiders that hunt spider mites off of the gmo corn that is planted around us when we do/did the bug killer. Two spotted spider mites are tiny and about impossible to see. Anyway, I will let everyone know if it helps. When this first began we thought it was bird mites. I have purchased miticide and plan on spraying the house down next with that once I finishing going through and getting everything sprayed with the termite spray. I feel that this is not just one invisible bug but a variety and is why it takes numerous products to kill it out. As I spoke of earlier I have also used the hand held bottle of fungicide/miticide/insecticide that you can find in your plant section that is for gardening on the laundry bins and it works. I have some pictures of the bins before spray and after and once again the specs are evident. But anything PYREMETHINE based does not work. We started 4 months ago with that, exterminator used that and I even tried washing some clothes with it. I am hopeful we will get this under control before it destoys are home or we have to move. We have been having those discussions of moving and just leaving everything behind, that is how awful this invisible bug that no one believes is.

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        Lisa Crawford 

        10 days ago

        We have been dealing with this for almost 6 months. The exterminators we have had in do not know what it is and state they have never seen anything like it. We started with food grade diatomaceous earth around the baseboards, trash cans and pet food dishes. We began to see very tiny specs in the powder. We worked to caulk and seal everything in the bathroom. These are so small they will have created the tiniest holes in the caulk for their water supply, especially around sinks and toilets. I have found that if I use the carpentar ant/termite/carpentar bee spray it helps. All Laundry is in very big bins and gets sprayed with miticide/fungi/insecticide from the organic gardening section. Laundry I wash on hot and tried many things from boric acid, hydrogen peroxide, bleach etc.. I found that if I wash the clothing on hot and put in a bottle of rubbing alcohol and let that sit/soak for a half hour before the wash cycle it seems to help. I then Lysol spray articles of clothing before going in drying and let set 10 minutes before I hit dry. Finally, I lint roll everything. Bleach, heat, nothing kills these critters. Bedding must be washed daily, lysol sprayed and lint rolled. Lint roll everything. We also bought uv flashlight to see where it was concentrated. We also bought uv/ozone lights to run while we were away at work. It has ate and made all of the baseboards come off of my walls. It has gotten into the grout and gets under tiles and pops thems off. Once we realized this and not that our house was just getting worn we have begun treatment of everything. Our house is only a year old so it has been devestating to watch this destroy carpet and eat it, cause the wood floors and seams to warp and tiles come up off floors. I have to spray each seam of grout and let it soak in so that it can get down to the subfloor. The same for my wood floors. I have to spray top and bottom of the baseboards because when I sprayed just below that is when they then came out the top and popped the trim off. As for ourselves, we constantly have either demodex mites, head lice or what seems like scabies. We use the perimethin cream when we can get a Dr. to take pity on us and believe we have an ivisible mite. Other wise we use DEET spray to keep them off of us as best as we can. This is a nightmare. It also has infested my car, garage and workplace.

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        kimrossroth 

        11 days ago

        Gman74-I has originally used the Ortho home Defense spray to get rid of them which helped but also had an independent exterminator treat my vehicle last year and it took care of it. I keep the soap and vinegar solution on my drivers side floor mat to catch any that have hitch hiked on my shoes from the stores especially if they are wet-I really try running errands on dry days. I also try to park far away from the store so I can knock off as many as I can before getting back into the vehicle. They are definitely in the stores where I live and restaurants. I put some food under the microscope and found some type of insect or mite. I talked to the state entomologist today and she told me I could send her my samples of the stuff that I swept up from my floors but won’t take the food samples. I will be sending that out tomorrow. I will take the food samples with me to the specialist at the end of the month.

        I am starting to see tiny dead looking mites and also tiny winged insects along the baseboards after spraying the Tempo SC Ultra and the two insect growth regulators (PBO-8 Synergist for mites and Tekko Pro for gnats & midges). The IGR is sprayed every 3 months. If I could only take a shot of this and take care of the ones that I have with ingested. The essential oils are helping to drive them out but will take forever if Icant get them out of food.

        FYI- another way to look up ingredients in a product is looking up the sds sheet (safety data sheet on that product). They will list if the chemicals are hazardous too.

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        Gman74 

        12 days ago

        kimrossroth - Re: getting rid of them in your car. I've been spraying Ortho Home Defense Bed Bug spray. It works really well. These things are so insideous and difficult that i just spray my whole car. Hope that helps!

        Garrison

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        kimrossroth 

        12 days ago

        I still experementing with pheramone traps. The Hot Shot(R) Ultra Liquid Ant Bait

        (Flipped upside down in vinegar solution to force them down into the solution)

        https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5...

        and

        1 RESCUE! Non-Toxic Wasp, Hornet, Yellowjacket Trap Attractant Refill, 2 Weeks

        (Open the two liquid packs and pour into solution and then open the vial and place in the solution)

        https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5...

        Both cost around $10. The Rescue was the silver billet to attract the white flying things. I placed the container of solution on the DynaTrap XL by my bed last night and the top of the solution was completely covered this morning. I am waiting to hear from the state entomologist to hand deliver the collection of what ever they are. I have put one of these in the car too.

        FYI I guess it is illegal for exterminators to spay inside vehicles. None of the big name exterminators will do it.

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        M Sotired 

        12 days ago

        itgetsbetter - have you been to mitetreatments.com? There’s a lot of info there, including where it says ACV attracts mites. That’s why I no longer use it.

        The products they sell aren’t available where I live and I received no response when I contacted them about shipping to here. But I think I’ll have to make another attempt. Running out of options. :(

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        TLC 

        13 days ago

        Natural Ginesis - The Mysterious Biting Mite - Bite Back!

        http://www.naturalginesis.com/biting-mites/

        I just order some kleen green... imma give it a try

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        Gman74 

        13 days ago

        Hey there,

        I can definitely relate with everyone on here! I’ve been fighting this itching and biting for nearly 2 years. It’s been an on and off battle that started March 2017. As I’m writing this I can’t believe that I’ve been dealing with this for so long. It began after hanging out with a homeless friend. The itching was primarily at night when I was resting. I put up for it hoping it would go away and finally I decided to spray my entire place and meticulously disinfected everything. It took me until late fall to finally get rid of whatever it is. I relieved! Fast forward to March 2018 where I hang out with this same homeless friend. I’m an idiot I know. I should’ve known but I was just looking to help him. No good deed goes unpunished right? I was sitting down to coffee and literally could feel them moving towards me. At that point I was living with my girlfriend in the city. I then tried to do the same procedure that I did at my cabin. My girlfriend was very apprehensive about what I wanted to do. We sprayed, her place a few times, washed countless times and steam cleaned the carpets. To no avail we didn’t have any luck getting rid of them (I don’t think we did a thorough enough job) and she became very skeptical that it was an actual bug that was causing the problem. To this day she thinks it’s a medical condition. I’m very frustrated with her and feel like she is being very stubborn knowing the facts. She claims that I didn’t get rid of them at my place even though neither one of us felt them later in the year at my place. I’m not sure why she thinks I would lie about this.

        So now I’m going to medical doctors, allergists and recently to a dermatologist. The allergist recommended I take 180mg of Allegra whereas the dermatologist recommended I take Ivermectin which is used to cure scabies. I’m leary about taking the strongest strength Allegra for 2 months and leary about taking the Ivermectin because I have no physical rashes on my skin. I think I may just take both for a little while in see what happens. I do have another doctors appointment on Thursday and they’re going to run some tests for thyroid, immune and other possibilities. In the back of my mind I’m saying wtf because this all started both years after hanging with a homeless friend. I’m basically just going to the appts to placate my gf. I’m really frustrated with her because she can’t seem to connect the dots. Am I crazy to think that? Anyway guys this site is a lifesaver! I’ve tried many of the ideas and it has helped a little but bottom line it’s difficult dealing with the situation when your living with someone who I feel is being unsupportive and not open minded.

        Good Luck Everyone!

        G

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        itgetsbetter 

        13 days ago

        Janice-M - I read that benzyl alcohol kills dust mites and that would be in line with much other info I have read, say the original dark yellow Listerine as the original poster noted. It has alcohol and some form of benzyl it seems. I also tried rinsing my hair with 1:3 ratio listerine to water last night and I think it worked even better than the ACV. I noticed the tea tree shampoo also has alcohol in it. The baby shampoo has the lauel or laureth something that is also in coconut oil. I believe mites are in the same family as spiders so Terro spider traps might help or anything that kills spiders. I seem to be collecting little seed ticks or somthing like that, maybe spider mites in those traps.

        Isopropyl alcohol definitely instantly killed the spider I sprayed but it is poisonous and flammable so I hesitate to use it a lot. I sterilize combs with it. the OP also said Windex and I think it does help. I think vinegar helps too but others do not agree.

        Most of what I read that gets rid of mites is:

        vacuuming

        sulfur

        benzyl alcohol

        permithrin

        Windex- the original with ammonia D

        heat - 130 degrees

        borax might help with laundry

        DE (diatamaceous earth - careful about inhaling since it is silica so does cause lung probs - You need to wear a mask and there is food grade but I don't use it around my dog since someone said their cat died from breathing issue)

        Some sites I read says only a professional exterminator can get rid of mites but most everyone on the invisible bug type sites with similar circumstances said the exterminators did not work. I will say I just paid over $200 for an exterminator and the prob is better though still a prob since they only did the house. I told them the car, garage, yard, my clothes, the attic all need to be done but they did not do it. Standing water in the yard has to go and the house needs to be sealed (I found a bunch of cocoon type nests that look like spider nests in the window tracks under the screens but they had tiny brownish red dots in them instead typical spider sacs) so the window tracks under the screens etc need to be done, perhaps the sofits in the roof too. I also fogged on my own and it didn't fix it. The exterminator will come back though, for free, so I just need to call them again.

        We are dropping to the twenties tomorrow night and then for a few days so I think that will kill them outside and in the garage and car, hopefully in the attic and window frames too.

        I used vinegar in the laundry and baking soda, previously borax. Since I am using rain gear, like windbreaker slippery material they don't stick much to that material so I don't have much of a prob with that. I also roll my clothes with a sticky lint roller or shake them out but I am not sure that is recommended.

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        Tlc 

        2 weeks ago

        3 doctors 3 exterminators, and took my dog to the vet and Still no answers... ive been fighting for 7 months now.

        I went on a 2 week vaca and they were still bitteing me while i was away from the home. I disinfected everything with alcohol and packed it in trash bags before i left...

        When i got back home they were still here. So i left everything and went to my parents. I literally brought nothing. I wore my mother's xlothes yet i was still getting bit.

        It has to be something living on the skin but my doctors didn't find anything.

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        TlC 

        2 weeks ago

        So i went to a dermatologist for skin scrapings and he said it was a yeast rash. I went thru all the medication yet i still seem to be getting bit. Still no solution. My next step is to send in some sticky traps into a lab.

        It did seem to get better now that its winter. I dont think they like the cold. Maybe ill jus put my furniture outside while its below freezing.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 weeks ago

        I just looked into the Dettol soap John mentioned below and it appears that hydrocortisone might be a substitute for it though you should ask your doc.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 weeks ago

        Thanks for the info John. That sounds possible and accurate more than anything else I have read, especially since I had the ring on my ankle and my dog might have had that too, round bald spot.

        John - Is there a home remedy/substitution for ivermectin?

        I used the tinea athletes foot wash and it did cure my feet, but still getting it in my hair. I have no ring on my ankle or crawling on feet, or rash or anything. One foot still hurts on the ball of the foot which looks totally normal but hurts enough to limp at times.

        I might get the surgery soap etc you mention. I would have to go back to the nurse practitioner again or to the dermatologist she recommended in order to get the prescription for ivermectin weekly and also for permithrin weekly. I asked them to give it to me but they didn't which is irritating since i paid a lot of money for the doc and drugs this summer and it didn't work. In my business, if the product doesn't work for the customer, we figure out how to make it work for them or they get their money back.

        I didn't go to the dermatologist since they would see nothing. I have no rash or bites or anything visible, just crawling and the bugs aren't visible either unless I use lotion and rub them when I feel them crawling. They are tiny black whispy curved barely visible,1mm max. The bumps I had previously looked like heat rash a couple people told me (lice tech and friend). Some are white too, on my face but I think those are folicle mites (normal) since I put one under the microscope and that is what it looked like.

        My stomach does have a few tiny red dots, some flat and some raised which can be nothing (angiomas). Also, there seems to be more freckles than normal (brown dots, salt size just under the skin). I guess the dermotologist might see something with that?

        The house seems better after the cold set in or the exterminator though I think I am being attacked in the car, maybe from the seats so I will spray those too. i was mostly spraying the floor. I need to call the exterminator again to do the car and garage. As much as I explained to the exterminator call center or whoever, over the phone that everything needed to be done: yard, car, garage, clothes, attic, house, they came and bombed and sprayed the house only so of course I still have the prob. I drove South for the new year and it all came back to life in the car, as soon as we hit warmer temps. Miserable.

        It is sick how much money I have wasted on this. All my cotton clothing is bagged and I only use windbreaker material clothing for the most part, like 3 outfits that get washed daily with vinegar and baking soda. If I roll the clothes with the lint roller, I seem to get no crawls at all so sometimes I think the crud is just nesting in my clothes or in the water used to wash my clothes, say midges in whatever water supply.

        For now, I switched to Isopropyl Alcohol though I know I shouldn't use it since it is poison, flamable. DONT get in EYES! It is cheap. I was trying Hydrogen Peroxide in my hair as well as vinegar and I kept feeling crawling so last night I spot treated scalp and face with iso alcolhol and the crawling stopped. I was also using shaved garlic in napkin dipped in olive oil in my ears and there was still crawling though it always seems to help to some extent. I might try again, rubbing the bone behind the ear with a tea tree mix instead.

        I have tested iso alc on a spider. He kept crawling after vinegar and maybe hydrogen peroxide (can't remember if I tried it) but when I sprayed Isopropyl alcholol, he died instantly. Isopropyl Alcohol is poison and it burns in spots, say in my nose, but it is used on ears prior to piercing I think so must be a disinfectant that is okay for skin? Not sure. I don't care anymore. I'm so sick of this prob. It has been going on for 10 months now. At least I sleep most every night now and know how to get rid (temporary fixes).

        The only thing about tinea that does not make sense is that noseeum mesh helps a lot and so does rubber tall boots. tinea would be internal fungus or skin fungus so should be unaffected by the mesh and boots, right?

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        Janice-M 

        2 weeks ago

        How do you kill environmental mites?

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        John Eug Dumais 

        2 weeks ago

        It is logic that for mites living on the body out of dead skin pieces, the same treatments that work for scabies mites should work for other mites. There are the creams treatments (permethrin with the good concentration) and the oral pills of ivermectin. The topical treatments must be done a number of times like 3-4 times in 3-4 weeks, according to the instructions. The ivermectin pills can take 6-8 weeks to achieve elimination. The clothes must be decontaminated and put in bags. Then only use some clothes that are washed often, for the time of the treatment by cream or by pills. Family members must be treated too and pets too. A real antiseptic soap is needed, for the skin and the scalp and hair. There is Dettol bar soap, very good. Another very good antiseptic for the skin is povidone-iodine solution or the iodine cleaning solution. // The fact that the problem agent could resist to the heat of the dryer made me think of a fungi, maybe a resistant dermatophyte of the athlete's foot and jock itch kind. Those fungi can be transmitted by clothes and by contact with an infected person. Then it would take a special product for those fungi, in the form of a powder or a cream or then an antifungal drug in pills. The decontamination of clothes must then follow a known precise method to look for on a good web site.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 weeks ago

        Hi Tic: Thanks for the video. It looks like follicle mite that is on everyone though some people do get an over population and end up with a problem. I feel like I have this since washing my face, eyebrows, eyelashes, hairline, even with water, helps a lot. An elderly person recently gave me a lemon balm essential oil cream that is made with cocoa butter and sunflower oil and it seemed to help a lot with my face though it is expensive and I was thinking of creating my own. Baby shampoo followed by tea tree helps. I also use dandruff shampoo with pyrithrin.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodex_folliculorum

        I got an exterminator and I don't know if it is helping since it got really cold at the same time but the house does seem better. I drove to a warmer climate for the holiday and as soon as I hit the warmer temps, they started crawling on me so I'm calling them to have my car sprayed (they did not spray the car).

        The pupa I found on my rain gear when I had double layers of rain gear and bright yellow on the bottom layer looks like this pupa which is for a fungus gnat. Fungus gnats also make sense for me to some extent, except the webbing part:

        https://curiousplant.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/1...

        A ring of Vaseline on the neck would stop mites from crawling from your face to your body for a while anyway. (To see if the prob stems from your face). It does seem like treating my face ends it a decent amount of crawling if not all on my body though not always as a lot of some stuff crawls from the ground up which is why I think I have a combo in my house and car, micro moth, spider mite, and/or seed or deer ticks or fleas. In addition to lots of lint, webbing and dust that flies with purpose, I see teeny little brown squares and bigger but little black shiny oval-ish bugs on my spider sticky traps.

        Micro Moth - Some moths are microscopic, have webbing, they all fly and at least some like to land on humans, all nest in clothing. I've seen what looks like casings or cocoons as well as pupa.

        https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/giants-causeway/n...

        I gave the dog a couple flea baths and also a capstar pill for flea and tick. She also has a Soresto collar.

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        kimrossroth 

        2 weeks ago

        Look up Cimexa

        https://www.domyown.com/cimexa-insecticide-dust-p-...

        I used it the first time I had this issue...it was the last thing the exterminator had given me. Took about a month after I sprinkled around baseboards and backs of cabinets. Husband won’t let me use it in the new house. It sticks to their body and dehydrated them. Clorox with Tilex Mold And Mildew has caustic soda in it. I started spraying the shower after I get out and am wiping the countertops with it also. Too soon to tell results but at least it will help get rid of some of there food sources and burn the crap out of their little bodies.

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        Goldilocks 

        2 weeks ago

        The reason why people find Windex helpful in killing mites is because of the Metholated Spirits in it. I once had 25 tiny tic's on me. I managed to get some of them out on my stomach but had to get the doctor to get the ones out on my back. He told me to use Metholated Spirits next time. I live in a sub tropical climate so I use metho everytime I have a bite now and it's very effective. Also try washing with Thursday Plantation Tea Tree Soap - that will knock them around.

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        Tlc 

        3 weeks ago

        https://youtu.be/51z2bO2zP1U

        I think this is the culprit

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        Janice-M 

        3 weeks ago

        This whole ordeal of invisible mites is taking over my life, and there are days I want to get rid of everything I own and start from scratch. Just can't afford to and I've got keepsakes, things with meaning. What works? I've spent hours and hours reading and researching. Tried the Ted from Bangkok's protocol of Borax solution and Hydrogen peroxide on my back and neck after shower, seems to work pretty well. Can't clear them out of my environment no matter how much I clean, spray with lysol, 91% alcohol, peppermint/eucalyptus essential oils.

        Haven't tried neem except in a soap I use. I read that Dove Soap and Dr. Bonner's castile soap are like insecticides. Trying both. If I can't get them out of my environment, then they just get on my clothing. Have to get them out. They're now in my kitchen because it's moist in there? Please I would appreciate any environmental protocols or solutions you might have that worked for you. Thank you

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        M Sotired 

        3 weeks ago

        Itgetsbetter - The herbs Dr Darren Schmidt uses are from Systemic Formulas (.com).

        Any idea which ones? I’ll read thru all the ingredients and take a guess, I suppose.

        Not sure if they sell direct to the public or only thru practitioners?

        Has anyone here tried them? Are they expensive?

        Thank you, IGB for the lead to this doctor, he may be our only help!

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        M Sotired 

        3 weeks ago

        Has anyone else realized that the Topix forums are gone? There was so much information on there, and evidence of other people suffering this.

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        M Sotired 

        3 weeks ago

        Thanks Lynbooke - will try the Biotin, even though I am 100% sure I don't have Formication. I hope you continue to improve. We all want to get well so bad.

        kimrossroth, I've been wondering about you, sorry things have gotten worse. You always provide good information. I'm going to try Dawn too.

        I'm sending you an email, from fxxxxxxxxxx@ihug.com.xx (so you know it's me).

        M

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        kimrossroth 

        3 weeks ago

        Interesting reads:

        (Crawling after using toilet paper)

        Tissue paper...

        https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3a12/03810d8d0a2a...

        Tiny white flying insects

        https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-...

        https://seeds.ca/pollination/tales/chocolate-fly

        Cedar Gnat-from an audiologist...

        https://hearinghealthmatters.org/waynesworld/2011/...

        This summer my scalp was attacked as I was bent over by a juniper/cedar tree and had the biting but couldn’t see them.

        The weird thing is that I am burning a evergreen scented candle which is in front of me and I am seeing the same collection of glaze on the wax as I do in the soap and vinegar traps.

        I made chili over the weekend and mixed some of the hamburger grease with some organic coconut oil in a bowl and placed the Hot Shot ant bait in the center to give the sweet and greasy attractiveness that I am finding they love. They were collecting on top of that too over time. I have scraped the top collections and put them in another container and want to take them to the state ediomologist. Will keep you posted.

        I made the chili with lots of cayenne pepper which they are not liking. Also noticed that they don’t like tomatoes so I looked that up and thiamine (B1) is offensive to insects due to sulphuric smell. I think I will try the biotin too.

        I ran out of Neem this morning so drove an hour and a half to find 1 bottle. But I did find 2 bottles of the Neem oil. So I get in the car and pop the dabber in my mouth to taste it...it is so gross and pungent. I picked up a separate mixing container and added the grapefruit oil 30 drops, cinnamon cassia 10 drops, Chinese star anise 20 drops, Neem oil 15 drops. There is no rhyme or reason to how many drops I put in other than Neem and cinnamon are really strong. I am going to put a drop on my tongue when needed throughout the day to get them out of my mouth after I eat. I am still doing the grapefruit, Thyme, McCormick anise extract (it’s diluted with alcohol) at night when I go to bed.

        Yeah and you all posted about mold and water leaks....my new house built a year ago...I am so livid...I ran the garbage disposal the other night and then walked around the counter and I had a lake of water coming from underneath it. Custom wood cabinet water damage, vinyl flooring is warping, went down stairs and have water damage in 2 rooms on the ceiling. I told the husband over 2 months ago that there was water coming from somewhere because the floor mat was always wet underneath. The plumber that was part of the build can get here in a week. Husband still wants to separate so it may not matter.

        I used Tempo SC Ultra because they are getting bad again and now I know why. I have to reapply every 7 days and can take 21 days to work on life cycles (mites, springtails, mosquitoes, gnats,midges)

        I will not give up! Using the blue Dawn to wipe down countertops and am using it now in the shower on me. It’s suppose to weaken the exoskeleton on soft bodied bugs and or suffocate them.

        M Sotired...email me when you get a chance at itsflyingby@outlook.com

        Could use a friend :)

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        Lynbooke@me.com 

        3 weeks ago

        Hi Everyone, I suffered the biting and itching AND washing everything in sight for three years and was convinced I had bird mites but could never see anything anyway SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS I had vitamin, mineral and intolerance testing done and found that I was 100% deficient in biotin which causes formication which is the feeling of ants crawling under or on the skin and the biting feeling comes with the nerve endings playing up. Anyway I ran down to the health food store and bought the biotin and immediately 90% of my symptoms disappeared after awhile I also took a multi B and the rest went. When I don’t take it, after awhile the symptoms come back. I have the testing done every year now just to be safe. I am 55 a lady and I was really going ‘down hill’ but now I am robust and strong again. My daughter also suffered too and told me it couldn’t be a vitamin, that it had to be bugs finally gave in and started taking a multi B and she is now ok too as the complaining has stopped. Lol I wish you all luck. The Drs weren’t able to help me as they only test for specific things and biotin is considered as very rare to have a deficiency in it.

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        briteyes50 

        3 weeks ago

        itgetsbetter - I smoked (quit again cold turkey) & burned incense - nothing for me! Seems like the smoking made it worse. Im battling lung cancer rite now & luckily it is stage 1 & hasnt spread - will find out tomorrow when to expect surgery. Just wish I knew what I was fighting - I do believe they are flyers that blend in with the surroundings - I have no clue. I have an excellent bowel movement everyday, I eat very healthy, take vitamins & just added neem leaf capsules to my protocol. Its only been since July, but this is getting on my very last nerve, although some days are better than others - I think like you say the weather is cooler here in FL but will be warmer in the wk ahead (in the 80's). Luv reading yr posts!!

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        itgetsbetter 

        3 weeks ago

        Has anyone tried incense? Someone said smoking for two weeks before bed got rid of them. Bugs hate smoke. I'm not starting smoking but might try incense.

        Freezing temps put a damper on it again. I'm looking forward to January since it is supposed to drop to the twenties every night. Hopefully that will wipe this out. We still get up to 60 some days in December so it is still thriving at times.

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        itgetsbetter 

        3 weeks ago

        I put spider sticky traps (Terro ) in the car and there were 2 black shiny cube like bugs and a brown bug within a few hours. Maybe brown dog ticks?

        Spider traps should work for ticks and mites too I read somewhere.

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/1505...

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        Jewel 

        4 weeks ago

        Often I’ve found it’s all the humidity from constant washing of clothing. Then mold mites come on. Thousands of them. AND you can’t leave your pet food out overnight! It’s another good source. Great shower advice here. I also rub my lotion on w teatree drops added. I try to go as LONG as possible between laundry loads. I also added “damprid” buckets to laundry room. Ventilation is very important. Damp dust first, before They love electronics too, damp dust! Keep your areas ventilated. Hang clothing if at all possible rather than pile in drawers. Humidity is the culprit quite often. Mold mites, grain mites, carpet beetles all love humidity n get on walls n under furniture etc. Brush out animals outside n often n use animal wipes to clean their faces n paws n bellies n tails n private’s. I’ve found cotton sheets provide good moisture wicking away from the body. I clean ears w alcohol. Have someone clean out ur washer w a spanner wrench for MOLD. Look for mold or moisture everywhere!! Rid of it!! It’s helping me. Vacumme ur car n often. Leave windows open when u can to air it out. Same at home if humidity is low...suction window seals n damn dust window sills. Humidity is a key factor in this battle... n pet food n some feed on crumbs, dust, pet fur, but loooove humidity!!

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        M Sotired 

        4 weeks ago

        Mandy, I have similar experiences. And have my hair tied back, when possible, to keep it away from my face and ears. It’s like whatever is in my hair is trying to seek out whatever is on my skin.

        Last night I had the movement and was trying to justify it due to the humidity, the full moon or the (non-existent) breeze in my bathroom! I wasn’t successful in convincing myself.

        They are in my pores and hair follicles, my hands and feet are especially bad.

        I have been working on trying to cure this internally, but after seeing the you tube videos from Dr Darren Schmidt I will also place more effort on trying to cure the ears. There are a couple of tinctures he recommends. Pau D’arco, Goldenseal as well as colloidal silver. I already am using clove oil, thyme oil, oregano oil, neem oil and a mullein garlic ear oil.

        But to be honest I have no real confidence in anything. I just hope somehow it’s all over soon. I have no will to live my life like this. It’s only a matter of time before I’ve lost everything.

        The bug boards I put in my guest bedroom now have small tiny black bugs stuck to them. Without magnification they appear to be juvenile springtails. I did have 3 adult ones in my bathroom over the last two weeks. That’s what I think I’m dealing with.

        M

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        Mandy 

        4 weeks ago

        So I have discovered the things are in my hair follicles. I am wondering if they come out of me into my environment or if the environment exposes them to me and that’s when they climb aboard my hair follicles. Two recent occasions I have witnessed a ‘hair’ on my arm and one on eyebrow that sways around and moves like a serpent. It literally moves like its trying to grab hold of something or find a match to latch onto. It bends in half as well Ike it’s alive or something. Have to look very very close almost w/ magnifying glass if vision isnt well, It’s so bizarre that I actually pulled my phone out and recorded it so watch back to make sure I’m not hallucinating! I wish I could post them! I’m not sure who to show them to because after 3 yrs of this crap I fear who I can trust and don’t want to be locked up involuntarily on a 5150 psychiatric hold!!! Has anyone else witnessed them on your hair follicle?! It’s absolutely flippin crazy to see it!! It’s like a ‘plastic looking hair’ that just moves around by itself like it’s alive! It doesn’t look like any other hair as it has no color. It’s literally clear and looks like plastic! Wonder if demodex mites have evolved into these or if they have been genetically modified to this bizarre s@i$!!! Has anyone experienced this?! :(

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        Mike m. 

        4 weeks ago

        .I been dealing with this issue for a year now its gotten worse doctors wont help they first gave me the scabies cream i used it but was homeless so i failed to do it right the first time but now im in a better living situation and got things flying around me at night bumps all over my face and body scars cuts i cant explain how i got them i itch and feel things crawling putta my feet i check my socks and only find alot of lint and lint balls after just one day of wearing the socks my shoes have little black balls everywhere even my clothes i also have a weird smell that come off me when i try and pick them off like the smell of feet im told i cant smell it though please help me im going crazy like im nasty and dont know how to take care of myself anymore and that aint just true

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        itgetsbetter 

        4 weeks ago

        Thanks briteyes50, If you know for sure it is under your skin, I watched a video from Dr. Darren Schmidt that you might want to go to a holistic doc since regular doctors won't do anything about parasites unless you said you were in another country. Dr. Darren Schmidt on youtube said tons of people have parasites in the US now. He recommended para1 or para2 I think in a video though you would want to find out what it is first. he said we should be de-worming ourselves at least once a year like they do in other countries.

        I also was just reading about leaky gut and auto immune disease that could be relevant.

        I put noseeum mesh on (socks pants and head cover and a wind breaker top) and almost always have virtually no crawls so I am 99% sure this is external for me. The only way I would have crawls after putting mesh on is if they are in the clothing I'm wearing or if they were on my skin when I put the mesh on. I put something on and just have a couple crawls. I kill them and then put the mesh on and it is over. They are easy to kill on my skin. When I feel them crawl, I scratch hard enough to squish them and then put the mesh on and it is over. This has been the case only since I started wearing clothing that is not infested, like rain gear or windbreaker material, polyester slippery material. If something is infested, I soak it in bleach water in a bin for a day or more.

        I still wonder though if my immune system is weak and that is why they are on me a lot and also because i was eating lots of sugar and carbs previously which would attract bugs. i remember a girl who used to get attacked by mosquitoes when no one else would and it made sense that she was eating lots of carbs and sugars and none of the rest of us were. She also had sinus infections and that can be related to parasites too.

        Mostly, I think I need to continue sealing and cleaning the house and that this problem is all over, in the stores too. We still have warm temps and there was a dramatic decrease when it hit 24 degrees a few nights in a row.

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        briteyes50 

        5 weeks ago

        Glad to hear you are doing better itgetsbetter!! I have a cpl of days where there is minimum biting but always feel the inside crawling under my skin. Some of the suckers are ankle biters that burn (where there is no fabric touch my skin at all, some when they bite itch, others sting. It doesnt matter what type of clothing I have or even if I have no clothing on at all - I still cannot see them but sure do feel them. I live in a motor home now at a rv resort - less to keep clean. I follow a cpl of g rps on FB - but get soooooo confused as to all the protocols these ppl follow. I just order some neem capsules that is now added to my protocol. I keep praying all of us will find a cure - my heart goes out to all!!

        Geronimo - If you are on FB, there are a few support grps that possibly help you - one is Human Parasites Support Network & the other is Skin Mites Support Group - they are all private grps & a person does have to be accepted to join the groups by answering 3 questions - just to make sure they are legite! All the best.

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        itgetsbetter 

        5 weeks ago

        Again it is way better and the temps have been warmish so I'm thinking it is not necessarily related to temperature. It is day 2 or 3 of it being better though and it seems to hatch on day 4 -5 or something... not sure of the time frame of if that is what is happening.

        I thought sealing under the kitchen sink did the trick though I still have a few crawls here and there it is way better. If the kitchen sink seal fixed the problem, it would be drain flies which is what the county health dept thinks it is. They are smaller than midges. I think I need to complete the seal since it was a faulty can of great stuff I used to seal the opening around the pipes.

        I am making sure there is nothing crawling in my ears, using mineral oil and other things though I read mineral oil is all you should use. Ear mites from the dog is something I have considered.

        I also went nuts cleaning the floor with the sticky tape lint roller that is like a paint roller for ceilings. I realize now that no vacuum works to get everything up. I do see a ton of little dots on the tape and it is a ridiculous amount considering how many times I roll the hardwood floor. There is no way my dog brings that much dirt in the house since she sleeps on the couch most of the day. I can roll it 5 times in the same area and still see little brown or black dots. It must be mites or seed ticks or some type of tiny flea, ant, or chigger.

        The dog also has little dots all over her often so I brush her backwards and roll her with a hand tape lint roller and it helps a lot.

        I'm also focused on the keto diet, eating lots of fat and red meat which is making me feel a lot better, stronger, less tired. I'm eating parasite killing foods like garlic and jalepenos.

        Rolling clothing and sofa and using all slippery clothing, windbreaker and noseeum mesh pants and socks for sleeping has made a big dif for me too. I almost feel normal now.

        Spraying the sofa and thin fleece blankets with vinegar also is helping.

        I sealed the back door with a new easy to press in weather stripping, no glue or tape needed.

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        Hubpagesuser12345 

        5 weeks ago

        Install wood flooring, paint, clean, shower twice daily, wash bedding and towels daily. Wash everything down with 91% isopropyl and Windex. Spray everything with tea tree oil including your face and hair. Use lavender body wash, and safeguard soap, and Hibiclens every other day. And the magic ingredient... cannabis. I was struggling for over two months with itching on my face and bites at my temples. After a couple of weeks of smoking before bed, they are gone. Maybe they don't like the smell or the taste, maybe it was a coincidence. All I can say is that it worked for me. Good luck.

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        Geronimo 

        5 weeks ago

        i've tried any and everything you could possibly find or think of. suicide is always at the back of your mind. thats how bad they are. dealing w them over 6 tears. spent way over $150,000 trying to get rid of these fucking, terrorizing bugs. light a tall candle in your house and watch what happens. if urs is bad as mine then ur smoke detector will eventually alarm. i dn't know how much lnger i can do this. i have no friends no one in my life. i stay away from family and everyone that was in my life. cost me a marriage and a home. The government i think created this shit in a lab and somehow some escaped. just my opinion.

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        Gman74 

        5 weeks ago

        Hey Mandy,

        Yeah i've had them in my car too. I've use Ortho Home Defense and it does a pretty good job. It comes in an aerosol can and you can buy it at Home Depot. Good luck!

        Garrison

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        Mandy 

        5 weeks ago

        Gman I know exactly how you feel! I was in a relationship but noticed he was scratching around me so I broke it off. I couldn’t bear looking at him knowing I was the reason he was scratching. I couldn’t allow him to get close to me as I would pull away. I never mentioned this to him. I know shame on me but I live in a small town and people would talk. Next thing I would be labeled a druggie or psycho so I kept it to myself. It sucks because I never pictured my life going this way as NONE of us did! Wonder what we did to deserve this punishment! :(

        Last night I went through and wiped all my walls down and found they hang out on the walls in dirt and small cobwebs. The cobwebs bit me and upon closer examination I noticed as I was wiping these very very small black things were on the walls...very tiny bugs. I wish we could post pics on here :(. I think I slept better but then again maybe my body just shut down for the night from exhaustion. Who knows?! Anyhow can someone help recommend something to use in my car? Any luck from sprinkling borax on the floorboards anyone? They love my car and jump on me when I get in it. They fly or jump at my face driving down the road. I’m not sure how to get them out of there. Anyone have any suggestions? I’m at absolute wits end!

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        M Sotired 

        5 weeks ago

        Itgetsbetter, that’s very interesting information about the ears. I have tried several things, with limited success. I think I’ve damaged one of my eardrums recently by not being careful enough. But will try applying essential oils behind the ears as he suggests. Might buy colloidal silver again too.

        What herbs do you think might be effective?

        I’m a bit behind on these posts. Sorry if I haven’t answered/responded to anyone. My phone was broken for 5 days.

        Mandy, I know how you feel. I can’t do this much longer. It is the most pain I’ve ever experienced, and I’ve had some difficult times. If not for this place I’d be rock bottom. :(

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        Gman74 

        5 weeks ago

        Oh man really? There was something in my gut that was telling me not to take it. What are the chances that i will be one of the ones that it will help. What are the odds? Good grief this is like russian roulette. Anyway, i'm really bummed because this is destroying a really incredible relationship between my girlfriend and I. I've had to move to my own apartment. Sad. : (

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        Mandy 

        5 weeks ago

        Gman my dermatologist prescribed me Allegra at the same dose. All it did was make me feel VERY ill....worse than I already felt. It caused my mouth to dry out very bad and I would be in the middle of talking and run out of saliva and it was very embarrassing! I read that dry mouth or cotton mouth is a common side effect to that med. Since it’s just a side effect of course that means not everyone will have that happen. I also think it just pissed these bugs or insects or whatever the hell I have on me off. They went crazy and my ears started ringing and buzzing! I hope it works for you. I have read it helps some people so maybe you will be one of the few it helps. Good luck! God knows we need a miracle! If one doesn’t happen soon I’m not sure I can take much more! I won’t live the rest of my life like this! I feel like I’m living in hell! Physically going there can’t be much worse than how I feel right now! Glad we all have each other though. That’s about the only positive in my life!

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        Gman74 

        5 weeks ago

        Does anyone have any luck taking 180mg Allegra? I've been dealing with itching since last March and recently went to an Allergist. She recommended i take that to relieve the itching. This is the most that you can take in a dosage and honestly think it's really irresponsible for her to recommend i take a pill at that strength if i haven't taken anything less than that. Really frustrated. This whole situation is putting an immense strain on my relationship with my gf to the point we may break up. I just want to feel better. She is really upset and thinks that i have a medical condition. I'm not ruling that out but it doesn't make sense to me since i've gotten this itching two years in a row from a homeless friend. I'm not hanging out with him anymore! I'm really angry it him but have to let that go and just move on with that. She doesn't want to spray anything. I feel like i'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. : ( Feeling sad and hopeless.

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        itgets better 

        5 weeks ago

        The same doc I mentioned below (darren schmidt) also has a video on parasites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1_y7MCeu8

        To summarize, he said to go to Holistic doctors since the US docs don't pay attention to parasites much since they think they are only in other countries. He also said other countries de-worm themselves yearly at least and we should be doing that in the US. He said spicy foods like hot peppers and wasabi are for that purpose because they kill parasites in the body.

        Here is his site: https://thenutritionalhealingcenter.com/

        I wish he would read through this page to see what he thinks.

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        itgetsbetter 

        5 weeks ago

        Maybe treating ears with herbs with help? I don't know. It's warming up again and I had bugs crawling on me last night again and so did the dog. I have heard things crawling around in my ears a lot lately. I got rid of them before, I think with coconut oil, but one doc said don't put anything except mineral oil in your ears.

        I'm not sure, but I think this is worth consideration. He says you have to come see him though in Ann Arbor so he is not really diagnosing anyone without seeing them.

        This Doc talks about how you can get rid of parasites by treating your ears.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmGxvZ_9lz8

        It is Dr. Darren Schmidt on youtube "how to naturally treat and ear problem" posted July 23 2015

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        Sarania 

        6 weeks ago

        I read somewhere once when researching, that if you don't know what it is you can't treat it. I've read 101 different methods but there for everything from scabies to noseeums. Not one response or post anywhere from an Entomologist who might be helpful to all of us.

        Scabies is identifiable and has a medical treatment protocol. It seems they're all becoming more resistant because people are self treating, and repeating the same medicines, which have little or no affect. I will not shop at a thrift store anymore, and probably won't stay at hotels, or motels anymore because I think whatever is out here enough doctors have heard about and won't sound the alarm.

        Without knowing what type of mites you have (in the case of invisible mites) you just try everything to see if something works, or gives you relief. Also upsetting and confusing is people who don't seem to think you're environment is just as important as your body. I believe my invisible mites originated in a thrift store with me standing next to the woman sorting and shaking out clothes to be hung up. I remember feeling really itchy. The garments I bought (all cotton), I soaked and washed in bleach, but didn't dry in the dryer. (BIG MISTAKE). Or they could have been from the mice that were in the apartment I was in, and when they plugged up the holes I was IT. I have insect monitors around my studio apartment now, and when they take them back to look....guess what....NOTHING.

        Whatever they are they don't like sunlight (UV Rays). They're in two of my closets (dark), maybe nesting in the linoleum tiles in the closet. I've sprayed with: Alcohol, Lysol, bleach, borax & peroxide, Eucalyptus & Peppermint, and ammonia (which I won't do again). I vacuum, vacuum, vacuum. What seemed to make a bit of a difference was a spray for dog's Pet Bed's, it's a natural product. The ingredients were glycerine, aloe, Barbadensis Leaf Juice, sodium benzoate, eucalyptus, AZADARICHTA (Neem) seed oil, peppermint, and Tea Tree Leaf Oil. I noticed an immediate reduction in the itchiness when I open the closet doors or walk across the laminate floors (which have grooves and spacing for them to hide).

        After researching again, and watching some really good YouTube videos of people who kill mites on their "plants" I learned Neem (which I used in a soap for my skin), is like a natural IGR and repellent. Supposedly according to Ted the peroxide and borax solution are supposed to dry them up; with the peroxide making them explode.

        I'm using head and shoulders with a few drops of tea tree oil, and peppermint. For my skin at night I've made a mixture of organic coconut oil; a few drops of tea tree oil, and peppermint (which seems to work pretty good).

        PLUS the weather is cold (35 and below), and it hasn't rained for about a week now. I think the combination in the Pet Bed Spray is really good. I'm planning to buy a UV light for the closets, and maybe a bottle of organic neem, and glycerin. There is better information on mites for animals, birds, bees and marijuana plants than humans, I've learned.

        To Bugging Out, I absolutely understand what you mean by living normally again. No one knows what we're experiencing but those actually going through it....I feel most don't care. It's in our heads, is easier than finding out what's really going on or just being supportive and understanding. I do know that just a reduction in activity and symptoms give you hope. You just have to keep trying the right combination of things to find out which is most effective. I try to read and collect post of those who have symptoms physically and in the environment like I do and see what they're doing and using. We will get back to "normal" again for sure. Also, they will get in your hair (anywhere on your body and hang on for their lives), your clothing (fibers), and bedding where it's warm and moist from your body heat. I even read you have to start from your hair when showering and wash down. Think about trying some hand sanitizer with aloe on your hands and arms at work for a short time. It has aloe, alcohol, and gives a little relief. Most likely they're in your clothing, bedding, or outerwear. Try to do something things that make you happy. The comforter is a problem, unless you throw it in a dryer on high heat every evening before bed (not all of us have our own washer and dryers), that still may not work. A spray bottle of 91% alcohol is my friend. I spray my clothing, bedding, chairs I sit in, around the floor.

        It will be okay, but at some point all of the thousands of us suffering like we are will have to come out of the shadows and be more vocal, calling on help from the medical community, entomologists, pest control, and anyone else who might be able to help advocate for us.

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        Louise61 

        6 weeks ago

        Hi,

        I don't have them as bad as I used to - rarely ever get a scratch or a bite now. I began eating healthier (no sugar or high carbs), taking a lot of supplements (oregano oil, ginger, tumeric, neem oil, glutathione, and immune support sumplements) along with 1-2 finely diced garlic with diatomaceous earth in my daily Kefir. You can use the odor-free garlic capsules. (I bath with Sulfur soap from Walmart or with the Head & Shoulders shampoo. After bathing, I rub down with olive oil or coconut oil with a little tea tree or peppermint oil. I notice that the healthiest people who get plenty of exercise are not bothered by them or maybe they just happen to have the strongest immune systems. Laundry - wash in hot water adding a little (1 Tablespoon) of benzyl benzoate to my liquid fabric softener. In the dryer, I dry my clothes first. Then, I run a 2nd dryer cycle in which I use the dryer balls to put a little tea tree oil on two of them and peppermint oil on the 3rd dryer ball to get rid of the tea tree odor. If you have them really badly, after bathing mix vaseline with sulfur and rub it all over before going to bed every night (including your feet carefully). You have to mix a new batch every night because the sulfur looses its effectiveness after a few hours of sitting. But it does what it should for your body - leave it on all night.

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        Lena 

        6 weeks ago

        Hello, I think those things don't live under the skin. Last time, I took a shirt that I wore and shook it in the air, I saw a lot of little white flying things around me and those dust-like things weren't just moving randomly, it seemed like they knew where they were going. They started getting on my leg (my skin was uncovered) and it started itching.

        Then yesterday I took my hair between my hands and rubbed it hard with my palms, a lot of those same white things came out from my hair. Once again it seemed like dust that knew where it was going, like very small flying insects.

        So as I said, it seems they don't live under the skin but they stick to us and I don't know why. It seems they are sensitive to strong cold and warmth, during summer I wasn't feeling them very much under the sun and same thing now that it's really cold. If only I could at least know what they were ...

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        Gman74 

        6 weeks ago

        Another sleepless night. I coated myself with Eucalyptus lotion and they stay away until early morning when the lotion gets absorbed and they begin bothering me again. I used Windex on my mattress cover that i have on my bed but i can't really tell if it worked since i have been using the same comforter. Anyone have any luck decotaminating a comforter? I may just store it somewhere for now? Good luck everyone!

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        BuggingOut 

        6 weeks ago

        Where do you get MSM? I only see capsules online.

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        BuggingOut 

        6 weeks ago

        I'm crying right now. I finally don't feel alone. I have a dirty little secret that I have to hide from everyone. I have to pretend that everything is normal even though at times I've felt suicidal. Coming across this page makes me feel like I'm not alone. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the hope that maybe one day my life will be normal again. That I can date again, that I don't keep spending hundreds of dollars on things that I have to throw away, that I can maybe stop the exhaustion of working 2 jobs and then having another whole job in trying to figure out what I can do to be normal again.

        I DID have bedbugs. I THOUGHT that's what was still going on. I now realize ( pest control people won't spray because they don't see anything) that what I really have are parasites living on me. I have what looks like rashes from my hands to above my elbow. I work in an industrial hospital kitchen and when I wet my hands with hot water I'm now realizing that they are traveling away from the heat. I could go on and on and on.

        I just want to say thank you for being out there. I'm tired of exterminators thinking I'm nuts. I feel like I finally know what's going on. I think maybe these parasites piggyback with bedbugs because I don't have bedbugs but I do have these mites. I finally don't feel like this will never end.

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        itgetsbetter 

        6 weeks ago

        Gman - I don't think you can delete tho maybe you can ask a question above and the host will delete it for you. Also I'm not positive about the laundry but rain gear works the best for me, windbreaker material and nosseum mesh suits. Sometimes polyester and spandex or nylon -slippery material seems to help. Also bagging cotton clothing. Possibly washing with borax, vinegar, maybe arm and hammer free and clear. Bag everything, clean and dirty in plastic bags and bins make it easier. Bleach should help but can ruin clothing There is color safe bleach. If it's noseeums they pass right through clothing it seems so coleman rain pants and jacket seems to stop them and there are more tightly woven fabrics like camping or hiking gear made for this. polyester might not stop them but I don't think they like it or nest in it since it is not organic. Hot wash, hot dry for 30 mins though I hang mine now since the dryer broke. Also, consider that no seeums and springtails can get in your dryer vent and will for the moisture. The wash itself can be drawing bugs to the house as can showers... humidity. I have a couple dehumidifiers.

        MY UPDATE IS GREAT - The bugs are still mostly entirely gone! Yea! This is about day 4 of below freezing nights, a hard freeze and the bugs seem to be frozen/ DEAD, just like the one lady said! I keep thinking they will hatch but I think I passed the time frame for that... it always happened on day 3 previously I think. I really hope so. Midges I think.. noseeums or punkies. there were barely visible white flies all over my yard, mostly over the soggy, muddy, or wet dirt and grass parts and I could only see them when the sun was beaming on the yard.

        Nothing dive bombed my face today and I never put a hood on or anything. I slept outside the tent 2 of the 3 nights and only had a couple crawls. i slept on the couch with the dog.

        I believe it is the below freezing temps at night that is really helping but I also did the following...

        - sprayed the yard with soapy water (dish soap) to kill the larva in the mud a couple times.

        - put dirt or gravel on muddy spots after spraying with dish soap and water.

        - added dirt to the puddle spots to level it to prevent future standing water (after putting soapy water in the puddles).

        - cleaned out the gutters completely

        - sealed a window with clear caulk outside - it definitely had holes and bug activity around the holes along with a possible cocoon on the window sill outside.

        - I did get the green apple blossom Dawn dish soap and add that to heinz white vinegar to make more traps though I haven't seen anything in them yet.

        - I did vacuum again but only once a couple days ago, really well with a shop vac - Rigid.

        - I keep using the sticky tape lint roller with long handle when the dog scratches to pick up any bugs she might scratch off on the floor or couch. I also brush her backwards and roll her to get off any bugs on her.

        - I mopped with vinegar water with a little oil and maybe a little bleach and lemon juice? Can't remember.

        - I switched laundry soap to free and clear arm and hammer laundry soap and still was using a few shakes or borax and about a cup of vinegar and hot water, extra heavy cycle.

        -- When an item of clothing was really infested, I put it in a plastic bin with water and some bleach and let it soak for a day or more and then washed it. I think that works but I am scared to wear things that were really infested so I avoid them. I did once and I believe it worked.

        - I noticed cob webs galore were hanging from the vaulted ceiling and other ceilings and since I can't reach them, I shot them all down with vinegar and water and the super powered spray bottle (the really tall one - ZEP COMMERCIAL SPRAY BOTTLE shoots likes 10-15 feet). This did leave some streaks/marks on the walls and I was attacked really bad when I did this. Probably using a long handle brush or broom with a towel over it is a better idea. There are also moths that leave what looks like old cob webs around so I am not sure what the webs are from but the ones that are really driving me crazy do fly so webs on the ceiling are possible. The ZEP COMMERCIAL SPRAY BOTTLE is the only spray bottle that lasted the entire 9 months. Most others broke. Seems like salt and maybe soap will break them. for the yard I use a pump spray bottle with the long wand. I also shot down webs in the garage.

        - I started using vasaline on myself daily in areas they were consistently attacking when i was too busy to deal with it, working or sleeping. They get stuck in it and die and I just wipe them off. Consider that vasaline can ruin clothing. I mostly wear rain gear and work from home anyway.

        - I don't let them crawl on me. I change clothes or use lotion, scrath them off, use vasaline, put on rain gear or noseeum proof mesh, comb my hair out with nit comb and vinegar. shower with 3 shampoos as mentioned below, wash my face, and I now have short layers since my hair cut so that helps too. I keep my nails really short and when scratching them off, i do it through fabric and carefully so I do not break the skin since infection is always a risk.. bacteria with any bug or bite. I also use anti bacterial hand soap and wash a lot.

        - I started wearing a repellent wrist band that might be lemongrass or citronella scent.

        - I have trying to stick to protein and veggies and mostly eat beef, eggs, spinach, broccoli. I do eat a lot of cheese but I don't think that is recommended necessarily. I try to avoid carbs and sugar since bugs like it.

        - I just started eating lots of olives (bugs don't like salt they like sugar) and more garlic and onions. Also taking immune system and probiotic gummies, yogurt, b complex or daily multi vitamin and zantac for stress and acid stomach (prescribed by my doc with a antihistamine but that ran out).

        I really hope this is the ends. Our temps are supposed to go back up to 40's in a couple days but making it past day 3 and 4 without much prob is significant.

        I left a message for the COUNTY HEALTH DEPT (FREE HELP IF YOU ARE RENTING! THEY WILL COME OVER AND LOOK AT IT). I'm not renting but they will still give advice if you own. Their first suggestion was bombing with the blue fogger and that might have helped a little but not much. Tho the blue spray bottle did see

        m to help when I used it to spay out the tent or other areas (the blue one is for flying insects).

        This time someone at the county said it is probably drain flies. I told him I put Vaseline in cups over the drains and nothing was in them but he said it could be an Air conditioning line or ice maker line. That makes total sense actually since any DRAIN or WATER PIPE or TUBE THAT IS NOT IN USE, IS A PATH FOR DRAIN FLIES TO BREED AND ENTER THE HOME. My AC AND ICE MAKER are both BROKEN. He said to check those when it gets warm again since you won't know if it is a prob unless the bugs are around when you check it. GREAT!

        Please pray this lasts for me. I need this to be over so badly. I hope everyone figures this out too. You've got to believe! Never give up. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. HUGS!

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        Gman74 

        6 weeks ago

        Thanks for all of the great info! I've been battling this off and on for almosts 2 years. Does anyone have any ideas on how to clean your clothes? I've washed my clothes many times and i can't seem to get them out of them? Also, does anyone know how to edit or delete their comments on here?

        Thanks!

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        itgetsbetter 

        6 weeks ago

        kimrossroth

        - I did that... turned the lights off and shined a flashlight and then shake or rustle everything. Dust will show up in any ray of light and static will make it go where ever it is electrically drawn too so I didn't find much that way but it did kinda freak me out. I did take off an item of clothing the other day and 5 or more tiny white things came flying out my rain gear. That is making me wonder if the water supply is infested with noseeums and they end up in my clothing when I do laundry. Midges lay eggs under water in the mud. Also, there can be 4000(?) per square foot so it makes sense they could end up in clothing that is sitting out or hanging up. I should go back to bagging my clean clothes too though I think the cold killed most off.

        Gman

        - I too was around a homeless person and a gf of mine was taking him places trying to help him and his dogs. She hugs everyone a lot as well. I did find one weird lice thing online but lost the link. I felt like it moved from my head to my body when I treated my head (should have worn the plastic thing over my shoulders instead of a towel) and comes with foot or ankle issues, like athletes foot. My feet were wet a lot from walking in the grass a couple hours a day. Now it also seems like many have the bites and bumps behind their ears or in the back of the neck? That could be lice or demodex?

        I don't think it was super lice. I found it when I googled all my symptoms, including the foot prob. I had a ring on my ankle and thought bugs and worms were coming out of it but later thought that could just be so many noseeums in the house they were sticking to my leg since I had Vaseline on it, kinda like when you go to the beach and put oil on and bugs get stuck in it. I might have found it related to trench foot which is horrifying but I don't have many bites or any red rash. I used to have a line of white bumps that seemed to relocate on my body when I used hydrogen peroxide to dry them out. Now I use Vaseline wherever they are bothering me and just keep putting it on until it disappears. It's really all gone on my body with shampoo routine I mentioned below.

        Sorry you gf is not understanding this prob. It does seem to be affecting people with a compromised immune system or candida or something. Some people aren't as affected. Bugs in general like sugar and I do think it helps to stick to meat and veggies.

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        kimrossroth 

        6 weeks ago

        For those of you that have the white flying things:

        At night go stand in front of your vehicle headlights and pull on your clothes and let them snap back to your body...and yes you will see them come off your clothes and go right back on.

        Eucerin lotion Advanced Skin Repair has Urea in it and I only use it on my hands- has helped with the redness during winter months. I don’t use on the rest of my body-have found I do better with out it.

        My sister is an RN and my best friend is a Nurse Practitioner they believe me but have no answers about what these are and there hasn’t been any information on medical sites they have access to.

        Jimmy P-stick to your motorhome. Smaller space to contend with and there is no guarantee that the apartment you get would be free of these things because I am sure they are spreading like wildfire. Just make sure you fill in any openings. We built a new house a year ago and I was looking at the windows and the caulking is separating from them. So I spent the day filling in gaps to seal off any possible entry points.

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        itgetsbetter 

        6 weeks ago

        Also, using unscented lotion and body wash in the shower and making sure I had no fragrance of any kind on proved to be a disaster. i got bit and stung on the neck a lot and now have a big lump behind my ear. I definitely need the shampoo combo I have been using so still think besides noseeums there could be demodex, folliculitis or possibly lice though the doc said no lice. I had a lot of dry skin on my scalp I guess, but that was after I torched my head with vinegar, hot coconut oil and then mouthwash to get them out of my hair. Now I just use a nit comb and vinegar spray and lately I just scratch or brush them out of my hair or body... they are mostly just noseeums landing so they squish and move out easily, unlike lice.

        I went back to using the pyrithrione zinc 2 in 1 dandruff shampoo for hair and body and then baby shampoo for hair and body and then tea tree shampoo as usual. This combo seems to kill it and keep them off me for about 6 hours almost every time.

        I'm fairly convinced it's over with the cold temps but I have been here before on day 2 or 3. they hatch on day 3 or 4 I think. God help me. I need this to be over and then I'm moving away from the effin tropics forever. One of the worst experiences of my life. These people are used to it. They use bug spray and cover up.

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        itgetsbetter 

        6 weeks ago

        At least 2 below freezing days and life is wayyyyyyy better. Almost no crawls. Now I am almost positive they are no see ums or midges. I found a red worm/ larvae for a no see um a couple days ago. Today I went outside and saw a bunch of tiny white fly's over the only super wet dirt spot I did not spray with soapy water. I might cancel the exterminator and focus on sealing the house and spraying the yard as well as getting rid of muddy or sandy spots and standing water.

        In the event that it warms up, I have lemongrass repellent bracelets for mosquitoes and flies and will order skin so soft by avon. I also now have more no see um proof netting pants and socks along with rain gear and windbreakers.

        I need to rake and spray the front yard too with soapy water since they breed under leaves and in standing water and mud or sand.

        Someone said aloe works for midges but I'm not sure I had success with that. Gutter toppers would be a good idea. Checking on the neighbor's pool might also help.

        So nice to get a break. What hell this has been. I'm moving to Alaska.

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        Amanda 

        6 weeks ago

        Dear Truth

        I think what you had was a combination of anxiety and dry skin. I wish for the rest of us that it was that simple but sadly it is not. There are also many young children that are suffering with this and I don't think they have Formication.

        Thank you for trying to help and above all keep praying for us.

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        Truth 

        6 weeks ago

        Hello Everyone. I started experiencing sensations of what appeared to be these invisible bugs back in October shortly after losing both my car and my job. I was certain the issue was a mite burrowing/biting my skin as all my symptoms aligned with others in this forum. However, after having no success with the pyrmethrin cream prescribed by my doctor, I went to the dermatologist.

        After observing my skin and finding no evidence of scabies or a mite the dermatologist gave me a much different diagnosis of "Formication". It causes the very real sensation of bugs crawling, biting, burrowing under the skin. Some of the triggers are anxiety or alcohol/drug withdrawal. It's basically in your head. I refused to believe it at first because i've never had mental illness or substance abuse issues and have handled anxiety very well. However for the sake of my sanity I decided to accept the diagnosis and follow the routine prescribed me below:

        1. Bathe in warm water (not hot) and use a body wash instead of soap.

        2. Rub shower oils on my whole body after taking my shower and pat myself dry with a towel.

        3. Use anti-itch lotion afterwards on my body.

        Immediately a day or so after trying this routine I had relief from the sensations. I also had to tell myself the bug sensations were not real and now things are back to normal.

        I would suggest everyone look up formication and check with your dermatologist. Or maybe just give the prescribed process above a chance. Praying for everyone to have relief from this issue soon! Much love!

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        Gman74 

        6 weeks ago

        Stay strong fellow bug fighters!

        Hey guys,

        I’m glad I found this site! Wow it’s nice to vent. So my whole story started last March when I first was introduced to them via a homeless friend who stays at a shelter. I occasionally keep him company or buy him coffee from time to time but I’m really beginning to resent the guy because he gave me this bug that I can’t get rid of. Man no good deed go unpunished right? So last March I noticed that I was itching at night and didn’t know what it was? I bought a can of spray and proceeded to spray my entire cabin..rugs..bed…couch..everywhere. I took the blankets that I had and repeatedly and methodically placed them where they wouldn’t contaminate the house. I used one pillow and one blanket and was militant to make sure the items were clean. It tooks me weeks and a lot of patience and I got rid of them! Fast forward to this past March and I hung out with the same homeless friend and gave him a lift up to the shelter. I was having coffee and I could literally feel these things around him. Ever see that “Pigpen” cartoon character? Well this was real and I could feel them on me. I was so pissed I went home after cursing his name a few times. I was now living in my girlfriends home who is very much against using any toxins to fight a possible bug problem. Needless to say we have tried to get rid of this pest and she has since decided that I have a medical condition and needs to see a doctor. F-in ridiculous! She totally discounts that I got rid of them at my place which really pisses me off. These things are real guys and they’re microscopic. The joke of a healthcare system we have in the US won’t support us and generally just wants us to take a pill to resolve the issue.

        Anyway after a couple of sprayings, a fogger and cleanings we still have the bugs at her place. My conclusion is that we didn’t really try the spray enough to completely get rid of the pest. She wanted to try it once and that’s it. I’ve since moved out the place into my own apartment. I still have them to a degree but am working hard to get rid of them. Does anyone else find that they can travel on your clothes? That is one thing that I find is a never ending battle. Dealing with a girlfriend who thinks i have a medical condition whose place is infested. She continues to bring these things up to my new place because she doesn’t think there is a pest in her place. I see her itching, coughing and sneezing occasionally so I think she is affected but not to the degree that I am. It’s soooooo frustrating and really affecting our relationship! Well just I’d vent. So just to wrap things up. Things that I’ve found work.

        Dust Mite Spray

        Eucalyptus

        Lavender

        Good luck and God Bless!

        Garrison

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        Mandy 

        6 weeks ago

        I’m pretty close to hitting my breaking point!!! They are now munching on my head and leaving open wounds. I went to dermatologist and she swabbed the areas and it came back positive for MRSA! So basically these nasty things are leaving their gross bacteria in my head. You can die from MRSA if not treated properly. I honestly think they are going to kill me! I told my Mom to please obtain an autopsy of my body if I die and allow them to use my body for research! Anything to help someone else out I would do! I def know this is not all in my head as lab results don’t lie. It all aligns out perfectly well...I feel them crawling around, biting and then scabs suddenly have staph in it!! Whoever said you think it’s book lice I’m starting to think so as well. I am a photograph fanatic and avid reader so I have tons of pics and old books in a tote in my spare room. I initially thought I had cotton nematodes but I don’t think those fly and whatever I have flys! It is driving my poor cat mad!! She chases it and then will start frantically biting herself because they obviously bite her. I’ve already lost one cat to this shit! I had to end her suffering. This one is next which will leave me with no one! My cat is my world!!! Does anyone feel them jumping off their face and body and seeing lint floating around them? Also do people scratch around you? People constantly scratch their self around me!! :(

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        Jimmy. P 

        6 weeks ago

        Hello, I'm Jimmy. P from Riverside. I'm currently about a week into my experience with this. Two doctors, a handful of friends and a roommate think I'm crazy, I have only one friend sticking by my side. I have went to the hospital and returned twice but as I left the second time my friend was not very happy at the fact that they just sent me away with no test and basically calling me a liar. As a result of his frustration he took a bag we had sealed earlier inside of another bag that the bugs had been in but literally burned their way out. angry with the situation and how I was treated my friend voiced his opinion loudly and left them the bag outside of the sliding glass doors after showing it to the security guard and having him confirmed that he did see burn marks and bugs inside. I have currently been staying at his place for the past 4 days but feel like I'm overstaying my welcome and have no clue what to do to return or leave my motorhome and find somewhere to stay. What makes this yet a little more tougher is my current situation going through a separation and being jobless and no funds 4 any possible remedies and or OTC prescriptions. Although my friend has help me with some cash to see what helped and discovered that muscle pain relieving cream does Ward them off, but again providing my current financial situation I used only one small tube of Gold Bond multi symptoms with lidocaine. It did work as a repellent for them and noticed my fingers along my nails and back of my hand looking cleaner and starting to heal over the period of one night and one day. But sadly were occupied by the critters again the next morning with no cream. As far as my home I have stayed away for various days and bombed with two raid concentrated deep Foggers one at a time over the period 3 days oh, I noticed that the first one did decrease the numbers a lot and killed some. I return today in the morning to check results of the second one. I am drained, both physically and mentally and have no clue as we're I am headed with this. I think the most discouraging part of this is being treated delusional or crazy by our health system and not try to investigate or do test of any sort to try and help rather than treating us like liars or children. What do I do? I don't want to end up in a psych ward or being treated like I'm crazy by friends and family. Help please! JJ.pizano@yahoo.com

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        kimrossroth 

        6 weeks ago

        Apple cider vinegar did not work well for me either. It has to specifically be Heinze distilled white vinegar and the Green Apple Blossom Dawn mixed together and a Hot Shot ant bait placed in the center of the dish. I have tried other vinegars an dish soaps-didn’t work.

        M Sotired- I am using just 100% pure grapefruit oil. You should be able to get your Neem and this at this website:

        https://www.naturalgrocers.com

        GNC supposedly carries the oil also.

        Had to go to a store today and unfortunately picked up more of these evil things. Some days are one step forward two steps back. I had to pick up a prescription and grabbed some Anis oil after being attacked again. Only been a few hours but it also seems promising. Just putting that on my tongue because I had read that you shouldn’t invest a ton of it. Tastes like black licorice and is suppose to be an anti parasitic also. I have been sitting at the kitchen table watching tv with the soap and vinegar trap and 3/4 of the surface is covered so either I am really bad- which I knew as soon as they hit my scalp today or they really don’t like anis oil. I will be putting anis on cotton balls and placing inside my copboards and drawers to try to keep them out of there.

        I just read this on peppermint:

        It prevents bugs from affecting your crops by killing them, incapacitating them or making the surroundings inadequate for their thriving, like erasing their pheromone trails.

        It’s like God keeps giving me different pieces of the puzzle. I was never into essential oils but started researching when I went in to Healthfood store. I would smell the oil then see how these things reacted to the smell. I found that they liked lemon so I have avoided that one. I had tried peppermint and didn’t think it worked but understanding what it does now makes more sense.

        I remember my great grandma use to make anis candy, which I loved. I might try just putting a drop or two in my water tomorrow and see how that goes.

        So if I can confuse them with the Neem leaf, erase their pheromone trail with the peppermint, make them vibrate themselves to death with the grapefruit oil, and fight any fungal infections with the Thyme oil, I hope I become offensive enough that they fly the other direction when they see me coming.

        With Christmas coming, be careful about keep cards and pitch any gift bags that people give you. I won’t even bring them into the house.

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        M Sotired 

        7 weeks ago

        Mandy, I too am devastated by the lack of care or concern, that's why I dare not tell anyone else for my own protection. And waking up facing this every day is draining.

        Lonely. We can all hopefully help each other.

        Itgetsbetter, I don't know where you get the energy to keep trying all these things, I admire your strength.

        Have you tried Kleen Green? People on some other sites swear by it.

        And I agree with you about the no rashes or bites. I had lesions on my ears before I started treating them. Now I have virtually no physical evidence, but the crawling persists. These things are real. My cat is affected too and that breaks my heart.

        I read something recently about paper lice. (I was the 'paper queen', still trying to cull). They live in paper, books, cracks & crevices, anywhere really, they don't need a host. They love mold and moisture. I wonder if that's what these are!?

        The article said they are a nightmare to get rid of.

        I'm not in the US.

        Kimrossroth, I have used the borax in small quantities and vacuumed it up quickly and thoroughly before the cat got near it. I'm only using it cautiously though, might try the Kleen green next. Someone on another site said to spray it on carpet prior to vacuuming (and vacuum slowly) then they won't attack so much, I'm hoping, anyway,

        Is it grapefruit seed extract you're taking? Liquid concentrate? I've read about it but not yet taken it. Heard good things. I must place an iherb order soon of some things I haven't tried as yet. And the neem caps, they're hard to find here.

        Britey, I have a spot upper left back that is affected. And right top of thigh, and right ankle. Nothing to see really, except small spider veins on my feet and ankles. They weren't there before this. The doctor dismissed them as nothing much. It's so condescending. Who would invent this?!

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        itgetsbetter 

        7 weeks ago

        I might have found a COCOON on a window outside. It was dark so I'm not sure but I noticed earlier yesterday that the CAULK on the WINDOWS is seriously depleted, dried out and full of holes. I bought a caulk gun and CLEAR CAULK or SILICONE so I can't make a mess of it. I am going to detail clean all my windows since I also have found other cocoon type things for possibly clover mites in the WINDOW AND SCREEN TRACKS.

        I also got unscented lotion, body wash and dry shampoo by Aveeno. I would normally get something cheaper but I wasn't able to find much fragrance free stuff. Thanks for the comment whoever mentioned unscented lotion etc. I was finally able to skip a shower using the fragrance free lotion last night (was taking 2 a day lately). I got unscented laundry soap as well. Someone told me no lotion at all works for them but my body is so used to it I have to use it.

        Note that I don't have a rash or bites, just feel stuff crawling on me.

        Hi briteyes50!

        It is so true that I buy clothing and then they mostly seem to get infested quickly. I haven't ruled out exterminators, just surprised some say someone has no pest problem just because they can't see anything. Most exterminators know mites are nearly impossible to see. Exterminators would get the cocoons and other stuff I'm finding since they probably spray windows etc so at least prevent a future prob with other things even if they don't solve my invisible bug prob. They also know the right pesticides and methods to use, given a certain situation but I can't afford $50 a month!!

        I'm still thinking GNATS, maybe fungus gnats... they go into your eyes and nose and anywhere else. they like the body heat and moisture. Not sure they get in clothing but I would think so, since it is humid in my house a lot. I guess I need ANOTHER dehumidifier. Not eating sugar and carbs should help with this prob since they are attracted to sweet stuff

        Links:

        Cat flea Pupae. I saw one cocoon weeks ago that was white with brown dots. Kind of like cat flea pupae but maybe not as bumpy and not quite as oval: http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/urban/occas/ca...

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        briteyes50 

        7 weeks ago

        Hi itgetsbetter, I hear ya! Had the same problems with exterminators - got a few samples & showed them to 7 exterminators who came to my house - (all thought either fleas or bed bugs - of course none of those). These so called exterminators said they were dirt or lint - they couldnt see any antenna - All my furniture is gone as well as most of my clothes as I cannot afford tobuy any, plus even if you get clothes they could be infested even after washing. I now live in a motor home - easy enuf to keep clean & have no carpet - but Im still getting attacked - now these bites really burn - I am putting vics vapor rub on the bites - still using the 91% alcohol, baking soda, clean green, peroxide, tweetmint & take sovereign silver everyday (4 drops) for immune system. Some days are better than others, but still bit every day & cannot get rid of the ones inside me - they also stay to the left side or move to the upper left part of my back. I have excellent bowel movements just about everyday - I have no clue of what is getting me - only been since July, but it really is getting to me big time. I had used sticky traps & the vinegar with dawn with no results. These demons go on my scalp, nose, eyes & ears - as well as my legs & specially my back - where its hard to get to!! Also I live in FL (north central part). Lived here over 20 yrs & never had any issues like I am having now - even when I did my own yard work. Just wish I knew what I was dealing with to at least combat it. I did have scabies according to my Dr. - he didnt even do a skin scrap - just looked at the rash & said scabies & gave me the typical treatment of iver & perm cream & that was back in Sept. I do belong to a cpl of parasite grps on FB but man, the protocols some of these ppl use are crazy. So many different ones & hard to keep track of!! Like all of us, just want this nitemare to end!!!!!

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        itgetsbetter 

        7 weeks ago

        Also, a site I read recently said if you don't have bites, rash, signs of bug activity on your skin, then you have mental illness of some kind. This is completely ignorant since you can search for non-biting insects that crawl on humans and see there are plenty that will crawl on you and that don't bite or leave a rash.

        To add, maybe the bugs don't want to crawl on you but they ended up nesting in your damp clothing like moth larva, carpet beetles, or silver fish. Then, they hatch while you are wearing the clothing, maybe because it is time to hatch or maybe because your body temp acts as an incubator and heats them up to the right temp for hatching. Then they are crawling all over to get off of you really, to go do their bug thing, but they are trapped under your clothing.

        Also, many talk about sweating these bugs out of their skin. I'm sure that is the case with scabies and other things but another thing to consider is when you sweat, they are attracted to you and stick to you since you are warm and wet. A reason many southerners tend to not move a whole lot in the humid heat. They prefer to stay cool and dry so the bugs stay off of them.

        Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, for example, mites, no-see-ums etc. Another really ignorant thing I read frequently. How exterminators determine you have no bug prob because they can't see it? bizarre to me. Most exterminators are well aware when it comes to mites. Some say they will not handle mites and they will not guarantee gnat removal (probably because it is outside and there is no way to stop the tiny things from getting in the house). They said they will try to find the source of the food in the house and get rid of it.

        I would say it is extremely rare for someone to have a mental disorder or other that would cause them to think bugs are crawling on them when they are not. These are catchable, bagable bugs but so small, by the time you get them on a slide they look like larva, worm, a body at best. Insects are extremely delicate so the slightest touch can rip off their legs, antennae, wings etc. For me to catch them I have to use oil, Vaseline, or lotion and rub a lot where I feel them and eventually they rub off onto my finger. Then to get them on a slide, I have to gently use the edge of a piece of paper (which could still rip legs off). I have lost so many just trying to transfer them to a slide. It is really hard to do and I'm really sick of trying.

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        itgetsbetter 

        7 weeks ago

        The pupa that was stuck to the 1st rain gear layer I wore to sleep in, the yellow rain gear, looked exactly like this fungus gnat pupa on the cycle of life image on this page: https://curiousplant.com/fungus-gnats-carnivorous-...

        I went outside to check for standing water and realize now, after a lot of rain (as usual!) I do have a swamp in the backyard. I am buying 20 bags of dirt and gravel to fill in all the low spots and holes the dog dug. I also cleaned the leaves out of the gutter since many bugs breed lay eggs in leaves.

        I had the city check the sanitary sewer/manhole on the neighbors property to make sure it wasn't full of drain gnats. It was fine and the neighbor said she had none in her house. Though she just bought the home and I doubt she would want to admit it if she did.

        I am spraying the yard with 1 part dish soap, 1 part veggie oil, and 16 parts water and will do this often if not daily to kill all larva in the standing water. I bought a pump type spray jug to do this.

        I put baking soda in the drains and left it for a hours and then poured vinegar in there. It bubbles to clean and kill whatever drain larva might be in there. Though I still think it is mostly outside like noseeums.

        I'm working to continue to seal the house. I checked the attic again and am not too concerned with it but will continue to check it. I don't see any leaks anywhere and no active bug infestation from what I see.

        I sealed the dog food in plastic bags.

        Here is what gnats like, "The majority of gnats and flies are attracted to certain smells, especially fruit and sweet scents. ... Many species of gnats and flies are attracted by body heat. Others are in search of moisture. Not only are they drawn to perspiration, but also the mucous around your eyes and nose that can be a source of moisture."

        https://www.terminix.com/pest-control/flies/gnats/...

        They are very small too so you would barely see them when flying but if you spray your window, door frames, and screens with oil and vinegar, and they are painted with a light color, you will see them stuck to it. Mine are black and numerous. The house gets coated with these things.

        I covered the tent on my bed with a plastic tarp since it seemed like they got in there. I did the typical shower night routine, shower ending with tea tree shampoo and conditioner, sticky rolled the tent floor, and all my clothes to sleep in (rain gear pants/coleman rain gear tucked into polyester socks, windbreaker jacket, fleece thin blankets). I use the noseeum mesh over my head at night, over the windbreaker hood. I did not have any crawling at all last night.

        I also vacuumed the entire house and mopped the floors with vinegar and oil. Sprayed the dog beds and blankets with vinegar and vacuumed.

        Whats NOT WORKING...

        - apple cider vinegar traps have nothing in them at all and they have been up for days now.

        - stick traps for gnats have nothing so far though I put them up last night.

        - ant traps (they worked previously though and most of the ants are gone now - with the traps and the cold.)

        - moth sticky traps

        - there is nothing in the bedbug traps either

        I'm not sure if the blue foggers had much affect. They may have killed a few fleas or springtails. It seems a little better but mostly I still had the problem after I fogged the entire house.

        I have been avoiding the grass but still got infested with these from the yard and the dog in the yard. I keep stiky rolling when I see her scratching. I think she scratches off all the yard bugs on the carpet and may have caused some of this issue.

        the spider sticky traps have caught a few little black dots, an ant, and a thrip, though I can't see legs on the black dots and I need to look at them with a microscope.

        I'm going to try to vacuum and mop daily for a week to see if I can combat it and if it still fails, I might try the exterminator and ivermectin weekly so would have to go back to the doc, the dermatologist I have not been to yet. Since the plastic rain gear and rubber boots keeps them off my legs (given they are not on me or in the pants to begin with) I believe they are not living in me but more blanketing the yard, house, etc. All my cotton clothing is bagged and I'm trying to reduce clutter to help with all the cleaning efforts.

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        kimrossroth 

        7 weeks ago

        M Sotired the Borax worked for the springtails but not worth killing the cat. Your best bet will be the soap and vinegar traps. I had picked up Glad plastic containers at the Dollar Store so I could place them where I feel them around the house. That way if kitty gets into them she or he won’t get sick.

        I have noticed these in Arkansas (home of Walmart), Missouri, Iowa, South Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana.

        Do your grocery shopping in the morning and use your own cloth type bags.

        I found another interesting article about grapefruit oil and am wondering why it is has not been publicly available: https://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135468567/repelling...

        And the CDC is behind it. I just started taking it also. It says it will possibly kill the guy flora but if it kills these things, I can restore gut flora down the road. With Crohns, I am use to it.

        I am seeing more of the tony white flying things coming from my head...not sure if they are coming from my ears or what. I was doing dirt work in Iowa for my parents and saw a couple of them leisurely fly off of me and head for the dirt which was black so it made it easirer to see them.

        There is a insect called a fairy wasp that is the size of an amoeba and some species can live under water for 15 days. It is parasitic. No human reports of being paratized but any thing is possible in the right circumstances. I will feel the pin prickling and irritation on my skin when I get into them. Or it could be a micro gnat.

        I have noticed when I wore flip flops all day instead of tennis shoes that when I shower at night and get into bed that they were actually coming out of my skin after I was covered in sheets. So I gave up the sandles this summer and just use the flip flops to go from the shower to bed. So that has been better. As far as the dirt, it is acidic in Iowa and in Arkansas so there may be some validity to an alkaline diet.

        I am going to try the baking soda for a week and see if there is any improvement.

        I have noticed vibrating patterns when they start moving I need to keep track and write them down so I can possibly mimic it with my TENS unit when I find it. Don’t know if it would work but it is worth a shot. Will keep you posted. I am still using the Thyme oil and Neem and Milk Thistle. I think I would make headway if I just stopped eating because I would quit ingesting them. Definitely growing my own garden next year to help cut down on bringing infested food home from the store!

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        How Long They Live Without a Host 

        7 weeks ago

        I've been dealing with this for a year now after beating them before with Iverticim,

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        itgetsbetter 

        7 weeks ago

        Sorry Mandy. I know how that feels! They literally tell me not to talk about it and I told them, "I can talk about whatever I want". you can stick up for yourself so it is not so heartbreaking. I agree... it is so heartbreaking that noone seems to believe you or care, or care to help. It is on my top 5 worst experiences and some of mine are horrific. It is way worse than my car accidents, at least initially. Now that I have accepted that I am camping in my house, it is better.

        Is everyone on here in a humid environment? Any Arizona people or is this mostly Florida, Kentucky, Southern States?

        I think it is noseeums of some kind though the non-biting type. They crawl under clothing and there is no real way to get rid of them since they are outside and in mass quantities like springtails and they go through normal screens. You have to get special screens for noseeums and they can still come in a ton of other ways. The only thing that doesn't fit is the time they are active, dusk and dawn. These bugs are active when ants are active... 11 am ish, all day and most of the night too.

        Noseeums multiply in wet conditions, in standing water, and we had a ton of rain this last spring and summer. I need to clean my gutters since they might breed in there. They would get in your clothing via the dryer vent or if they are in your house (my windows were open). You should be able to blow a fan on yourself to keep them off, but that won't help if they are in your clothes already. This is why I shower to get them off and then wear rain gear and slippery polyester with 5% or less spandex. They can go under the rain gear but not through it. I used rubberbands now too, tuck pants into socks and put rubberbands over. Yhen they can't crawl up if they happen to get under. It seems to help a lot. Double plastic rain gear confuses them and they will lay eggs on the first layer so I would use the bright yellow ones for the first layer, though so uncomfortable to sleep in, you will see the eggs possibly.

        It is too soon to tell if it is helping. I put up black flag fly paper under my desk where they attack my legs daily unless I have rain gear and rubber tall boots on. The floor there is dark brown and when I shined a flashlight near the fly paper I could see all this darting dust, flying with purpose around the fly paper or else they were after the apple cider trap. i put apple cider, sugar, and dish soap in a water bottle. They are so small, so hard to see but they dart around so I can catch a glimpse on a dark background.

        Also, a thick coating on the carpet of baking soda and leaving it there did help a lot. I need to do that again but I am sleeping in a tent on the bed now so mostly not affected unless I go in the tent with them on me. I would check for noseeum screens on the tent if I were to buy again.

        Weeks ago I sprayed vinegar water at the ceiling and vents and ceiling fan and then saw a bunch of dead black gnats on my white bed. A couple days ago I pulled a large noseeum out of the screen. They get stuck in the vinegar oil I spray on the screens and trim around the doors and windows. It could be a few other things but mostly looks like a noseeum.

        I think they live in the ceiling fans and maybe are in the vents and attic insulation. I also think the insulation is blowing on us and it stings and itches. I was told I could cover it with plastic tarp. The tent helps a ton as long as my clothing does not have them in there in which case I change quick. I roll clothes with a tape roller and store clothing in sealed plastic bags with tons of moth balls. I also soak infested clothing in bleach water in bins prior to washing though I am at the point of using plastic rain gear and rubber boots only, to avoid the hassel of changing, soaking, rolling clothing. I'm also still using hooded wind breakers, noseeum mesh over that to sleep.

        We had a hard freeze I think a couple days ago so maybe they were better yesterday because of that, or maybe because I did multiple other things...

        - pyrithrone dandruff shampoo, baby shampoo, and tea tree shampoo shower yesterday am

        - I cut a ton of hair off (pony on top of wet head for megga shag hair - cut which gives you a long hair look with really short layers so easy to comb out with a nit comb)

        - shaved a lot

        - wore rain gear and boots

        - lots of traps, fly paper etc

        It could also be day 2 of the cycle where they hatch on day 3 or 4. Who knows really. It is really difficult to test all of this... so many factors to consider.

        I blew off tucking my rain pants into socks with rubber bands last night and they were climbing up my pant so I had to shower again. I am experimenting with turning lights off entirely since they are attracted to light. I do think it helps.

        I set up ant traps with borax and sugar in lids with clear tape over them along with other spider sticky traps that seem to be catching a decent amount of black dots, say seed ticks or deer ticks? So small!

        I think I'm done with a humid wet environment and moving to a dry climate.

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        Steve 

        7 weeks ago

        Huge annoyance, but I have some solutions. Minimize! Buy some cheap new clothes at walmart, and new sheets. Its impossible to save some pieces of clothing. Put all your stuff in storage for a year. It costs like 150 a month. Then use 10% benzyl peroxide and leave it on your bites, papules, infections, and rashes. Get a doctor that will treat acne and keep on antibiotics. Use the windex in the bath tub by letting it sit on affected areas for 15 minutes at a time. Use selsun blue qith sallycillic acid. Then move without tracking them to your new place. You cant save your bed, sorry. Storage, and buy a new cheap one from ikea. Put a u haul bag over it, then put the zipper mattress cover over it. Buy new sheets. Wash them daily or so, always in hot water with your additives or else your drier will get infested and you will never have clean clothes. Put clothes in a bag and run an ozone generator in the bag for extra protection. Might work with a mattress too, but tough to do. Take ivermectin to get them out of eyes, ears, and bum haha.

        Here is the big one:

        DONT GET CLOSE TO ANYONE YOU INFESTED OR WHO INFESTED YOU

        This norweigian scabies has 3 classes, and whenever it is present in a hospital all the doctors and parients are treated with ivermectin who were on the same floor or room as the infested.

        Keep hair away from ears. Ozone the car out, but watch out cause it will corrode chrome and some other metals. You will meed to do this for sure after moving all your stuff to storage. Or sell it cause you just dont have enough time in life to play around.

        Once your moved and clean as a whistle, just start trapping the pests like the other people are saying. Follow same routine of clean, spray windex, meds, ivermectin once a week till gone, and laundry.

        Shoes, should spray out with OFF and leave outside when not wearing.

        Keep window closed, as these mites come through the screen and into the house while you sleep.

        Shave your pubes and such and just be tidy. Hair is gross.

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        Mandy 

        7 weeks ago

        M Sotired I feel like I am reading my own posts when I read yours as we sound just alike! I have no one to turn to either. My friends and family say they believe me but when I bring it up they change the subject so.....my heart just breaks! I try to be a good person and don’t understand why all this had to happen to us all! I changed to a newer townhouse that is two over because the girl moved and hers got remodeled. She said good luck when she left. Now I know why! Hers is worse off than mine. I went from being ‘hot’ to all the way living in hell now!!!!! God be with us!!! Whoever said watch the toilet paper your spot on! Tampons, baby wipes, cleaning wipes watch all that. I have video of one on a baby wipe...looks like piece of string/cotton swaying back and forth like a serpent! Wish I could upload video. It’s so mind blowing!!! Some days I wish I wouldn’t wake up! Until then I will continue to pray and check this site often for tips and to remember I’m not crazy nor alone in this fight!!!!

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        M Sotired 

        7 weeks ago

        Thank you Sue Luth for sharing your good news story. Are you really at the end of it?Can you share some things that helped?

        I went to amazon but it said that book is not available.

        What products do you suggest are worth trying?

        We all hope we can get through this, you have renewed my hope.

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        VED036 

        7 weeks ago

        If the microscopic insects are biting from the bed sheets, one every effective action for a single night would be to iron the bed with the bed-sheet spread on it.

        You will need to do this a few number of times in the night. There will be locations where you feel the bite. Get up and iron that location.

        Another effective thing is to use what is known as a Mosquito bat, used for killing mosquitoes. It can kill many microscopic bugs. Try rubbing the bat on the bed. Or take out the bed-sheet and shake it vigorously in the air. Then pass the mosquito bat through the same space in the air. You might hear the cracking sound of the insects being killed.

        Rubbing the bat on the body can also help. Be careful that it does not give you a shock. in certain cases, you need to wet the body location and then rub the mosquito bat on that location, where you feel the bite.

        Changing the bed everyday can help.

        However, you will notice that whatever you do, the microscopic insects also change their routine to overcome the attack upon them. Many of them work in an organised manner.

        I have read elsewhere online that O+ blood group persons are more susceptible to these kinds of insect bites.

        Even though the microscopic insects are generally invisible, at times, you will be able to catch. They are not of the same kind. In fact, if you manage to catch them, you will find that different species are involved.

        As to the claims of psychology that many of these experiences are delusions, just bear in mind that psychology is a crap subject and very next to quackery. The professionals therein do not know anything other than some nonsensical technical words.

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        Sue Luth 

        7 weeks ago

        This blog is very helpful, thank you:) We’ve been dealing with a similar thing for nearly 3 years now, and are thankfully at the end of it. I just want to suggest a website and book that was a life saver and turned everything around for us, plus gave some answers as to what they are. Check out “How to get your life back from Chronuc Lyme, Morgellons and other skin Parasites” by Richard Khuns. It’s on Amazon. I had no idea for the first year that what we have (very similar to you guys) were parasites and so went on a diet suggested by the writer of this book, which helped enormously. I’m now on an alkaline diet which is further clearing them up - as an immunology doctor told me, parasites can’t live on an alkaline system. There are a number of non toxic products available, suggested in the book, for sale on his website, parasitestore.com...good luck! This is a ghastly nightmare to be burdened with, my heart goes out to all who are fighting to get their life back.

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        M Sotired 

        8 weeks ago

        kimrossroth, I can't leave the borax down as I have a cat and it is toxic for cats. I did go away for a week, I should have covered the house in it then, but it was stressful enough just getting away for a while. And then not knowing if I would contaminate where I was staying. I probably did.

        So now after paying for pest control that I knew wouldn't help, and having the ceilings, walls and carpets cleaned, I'm out of options and money.

        I worry that this isn't springtails, but something else. But after 7 or 8 doctors, I've lost count, I keep coming back to springtails as I found a few and had them identified by the hospital entomology dept when this started. What else would live in the carpet and attack when stirred up? Some other mite, maybe? But I don't really have bites, had some lesions on my ears at the start but am keeping those away with all the different potions I'm applying.

        I've also had comments when I've been in stores as I use Dr Bronners peppermint hair creme with drops of clove in my hair. It's the only thing to stop the frizz these monsters cause. Yes, I used to go to bed with wet hair occasionally. And the leaks that I thought were nothing serious I realize now were the perfect environment for these things.

        Kimrossroth, I hope your husband comes round, you are under enough stress. The last thing you need is to hear it's all in your mind. I have had days were I doubted it too. But unfortunately it is all too real.....

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        kimrossroth 

        8 weeks ago

        Leave the Borax down on the floor and don’t vacuume up. I exhausted myself vacuuming every day and I found it stirred them up more. I read somewhere that Borax 20 Mule Team killed insects because because of the sharp shards of the mineral actually slices or cuts them to death. I left it down on the carpets and vinyl floor for a month and walked across it. It made a white powdery mess on my shoes but it seemed to work and also dehydrate them. It will destroy your vacuum cleaner vacuuming powders up daily. I did have diagnosed springtails up north.

        The other ones are very tiny white things and float or fly through the air and most of the time I can’t see them...just feel them. So I quit killing myself trying to clean ritually every night after work which was hard for my OCD self.

        They did not seem to like the Blue Dawn as well as the Green Dawn for some reason so I use 1/4 cup in my HE washer on top of the clothes and the Ecos enzyme laundry detergent (can get at Sams club or Walmart) in the soap dispenser with a quarter sized drop of tea tree and 6 drops of the white thyme mixed in to the detergent but don’t let the oils set in dispenser for long periods of time as it will be hard on the plastic dispenser. I dry clothes on high heat for 2 hours then store them in ziplock bags until ready to wear.

        Also using Blue Dawn or Palmolive pearl green Aloe and Citrus for washing my dishes. Not using my dishwasher because it is just another place for them to hide.

        I am using Matrix Biolage Scalpsync Anti-Dandruff Shampoo and conditioner in my hair- they don’t care for mint. And they hate the Kenra Clairifying Shampoo but you can only use once a week as it strips your hair. I healed the sores that I had a year ago on my scalp with Banixx bacterial and fungal spray which you can get at Tractor Supply and some farm stores. It is for horses and dogs. I put it in a small sprayer bottle and add 6 drops of Rosemary oil and 6 drops of white Thyme oil and still use it after I towel dry my hair before I blow dry it. I have longer hair and it was starting to get thin patches where the sores were before using the Banixx. I took a couple of months to clear up but it is back to normal now. DO NOT GO TO BED WITH WET HAIR! They flock to your wet hair while you are trying to sleep.

        Try the soap and vinegar traps at work. If you are working at a computer, hide a little plastic container behind your computer tower. Or put some in an aluminum pop can and add some sugar and Safflower oil. They are attracted to the pheromones in the oil and the sugar is food for them. No one will know any different. At home if someone stops by unannounced I tell them they are homemade gnat traps which is true...just unidentified :).

        I will mix in black food dye in some of the the solutions because I noticed I would seem to get more attacked when I wore black so I figured they must like that color for some reason. So I just don’t wear black anymore. I change the solution every two weeks or so.

        And M Sotired I know you feel alone and it really hurts thinking that the future isn’t holding anything good because of this but hang in there. My husband has wanted to separate because of this and I told him that if that is what he really wants then bring me the papers and I will make it final. It is stressful hearing “There is something wrong with you and you need to go to a shrink” . I told him that it is physical and not in my head because in the beginning of all this I wondered a few times. I will say that financially it would have impossible and he did allow me to see several doctors but was still undiagnosed. And now I realize that there are better ways to invest your money on this...keep the environment really dry and set them up with the pool of death by drowning them with the soap and vinegar traps. They land looking for a drink, they can’t breathe and they drown. Then put stuff on your body that they can’t stand to be around. I will tell a funny story... I went to Jimmy Johns as I was traveling back from up north and one of the workers who was a young kid told his co-worker that it smelled like mouthwash as I was waiting for my sandwich. The other coworker said oh, that is the oregano you are smelling. I didn’t say a word but was giggling on the inside because the truth was that I didn’t screw the lid tight on my White Thyme oil and it had leaked in my pants pocket earlier. I may smell like mouthwash but it is helping!

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        Sandra 

        8 weeks ago

        I have used everything and it only seems to be feeding them. I am at my wits end. Vinegar, windex, borax,Tenashus earth, and nothing seems to be working. I need help bad.

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        M Sotired 

        8 weeks ago

        Kimrossroth, thank you, I will try the soap & vinegar solution. I only have blue dawn though. And yes, I shampooed the carpets (got people in to do it), then in one room sprinkled Pestene Powder. When I vacuumed it up they were flying out of the carpets attacking me. And flying out of the vaccuum cleaner attachment. Now I'm afraid to vac in fear of getting attacked again.

        But I will only be using Borax in future before vacuuming. I'd like to try the Diatomaceous Earth too but will have to buy a cheap vaccuum cleaner (w/ Hepa) so I don't ruin mine.

        I've read that saunas should help, so you may be onto something with the heater.

        It's on my list of things to try, infra red saunas.

        I started the thyme oil tonight. And the milk thistle but will have to order the Neem.

        Also had a few drops of oregano oil. Still taking albendazole. Might go back onto the Ivermectin soon, only been using small amounts topically recently for ears and nose.

        I'm hoping the 2 dehumidifiers I've had running for the last 4-5 weeks will make a difference. I'm not looking forward to the electricity bill.

        Your unsupportive husband is better than no husband at all. Although I know it must be very stressful if he really doesn't believe you.

        I wish I had someone to share this with, I'm too frightened to tell anyone for fear of isolation.

        Already have withdrawn from my family and friends.... they haven't enquired why, which indicates it's best not to tell them. They will not be able to help anyway.

        I agree about the toilet paper, especially at my office. There is 'dust' there everywhere as cleaning is inadequate and black tiled bathrooms show everything.

        I hope you are making some good progress. You have good ideas. Thank you again, for sharing them. Keep at it, if they went away before, they will again. I dream of this hell ending, but not sure it ever will for me.

        It's exhausting and daunting to know what to try.

        Take care,

        M

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        kimrossroth 

        8 weeks ago

        I am using the soap and vinegar as a trap. Like the home made traps used for gnats. These things land on top of the solution and the soap breaks the surface tension of the liquid and they drown instead of staying on top of the liquid. The Hot Shot ant trap sits in the liquid with top sticking above the solution. This creates a moat around the ant trap. I think they must like the sugary solution in the ant trap but drowning them is the only way I have been able to kill them. You can’t see them individually because they are so tiny but as they drown and collect, you will be able to see them. They are looking for moisture. I have the house very dry. Used a dehumidifier this summer. I had this 4 years ago and it went away after a year and a half. I have tried to figure out what I did before that made them disappear. I think I found the answer last night. We had went camping and I had slept with a space heater suspended above my head for a week. Since it had gotten colder, last night I pulled out the space heater and had it blowing toward my ear. Almost immediately I felt the pulling sensation and they were flying into the heating element and were sizzling. Ahh, sweetest revenge for all those sleepless nights. I have quit doing the super deep cleaning daily. I just swiffer the floors with dry cloth to pick up any eggs that are around. The first time this happened we had wall to wall carpet. DO NOT SHAMPOO YOUR CARPETS! I had them almost gone by leaving Borax powder detergent on floors foe a month. My husband insisted on shampooing carpets against my wishes and the population exploded! I quit wiping everything down because for me it just seemed to spread them. I use a tacky cloth to dust weekly. I get it at the paint department and everything sticks to the cloth and I toss it in a ziplock bag when finished and throw in garbage. Unfortunately these things have spread to stores and restaurants. Pay attention. I am finding them in the toilet paper in public places and in paper towels. I am using the hand blowers and have my own toilet paper in a ziplock bag in my purse. I keep it ziplocked in the house too.

        I am sleeping with a DynaTrap XL on a plant stand by my bed. They are attracted to the CO2 light. I have set 4 plastic containers under the stand and every morning I find them drown in the solution. The trap is designed for mosquitoes and these things are so tiny that they go right through the screen but they end up flying right into the solution.

        I thought about getting the black plastic glue traps for rats and taping them to the ceiling fans to see howmany I would catch but will have to wait until the husband is out of town because he makes fun of me every time I try something new. Sometimes I wish he could feel them so he would leave me alone. I have felt them coming off of him sometimes and he walks around the house barefoot then crawls into bed with them stuck to his feet. He refuses to wear flip flops. I pray that when he dies that God shows him physically these bugs and the hell I really was going through. Those of you with supporting spouses/partners, be very thankful. It is stressful enough going through this and then not being believed makes it worse.

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        M Sotired 

        2 months ago

        Thank you kimrossroth, we really need to hear some good news. I'll be trying the supplements you mentioned.

        How do you use the Dawn & Vinegar? In the bath or shower? Or is it for cleaning the environment?

        Please report back on your progress. Hoping you get to enjoy the holidays and feel much better.

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        kimrossroth 

        2 months ago

        I want to thank who ever posted about Deroxing the liver with Milk Thistle. It is working for me. I picked it up(also called Silymarin) for $7.99 - Now brand at Whole Food Grociers. Taking 6 150mg capsules in the morning and another 6 on the evening. Also taking Neem- Nature’s Way brand 3 475mg capsules in the morning and another 3 in the evening...I had read that Neem confuses insects message communication signals and they get mixed messages on weather to stay or fly. The last thing I am using is that is repelling them out of my ears, nose and mouth is Now brand White Thyme essential oil- can be used internally. I bought empty capsules and put 6 drops of Thyme in it and swallowed it. They must be repullsed by it because it is working 100 times better than tea tree, lavender, and cedar oil. I am still using the home made green Dawn dish detergent about 1/4c mixed into 1/2 cup Heinze White Vinegar. I also threw an ant trap in it as they were attracted to them also. I don’t remember the name but it is a clear plastic half circle and I could only find them down south. I had it sitting out one day and watched a fly land on it and it was either dead or paralyzed in a minute so I thought it had to be good stuff. Please make this trap and have it sitting in front of you because you don’t want to release them back into the environment you want them to drown. I have been past the crawling on the outside for a while but internally they were getting worse I might just be able to enjoy the holidays. Be careful with the Thyme oil because it does burn skin.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 months ago

        So I set off 1 blue, no mess, fogger in the attic though it needs 2 or 3 and to be sealed. I cannot walk across it since the 2 x 4's cross and there is fluffy insulation everywhere.

        I put one in each bedroom, 1 in the garage with the car windows open, and 2 in the big room with the vaulted ceilings. I watched a video of others setting them off, wrote my plan out and then did it. making sure to check off all the pre fog tasks.

        I walked the dog for a couple hours near the construction so of course we got covered in noseeums or springtails or chiggers... something. I didn't shower them off. I tried to get them off with tea tree lotion I just found. Nothing works except a tea tree shower... a long shower rubbing them off with soap and water and wash cloth. Plus pymethrin and zinc dandruff shampoo, then baby shampoo followed by tea tree. All 3 in that oder seem to do the best job of getting them off.

        Anyway, I did get crawled on most of the night since I didn't shower before bed but I'm 99% sure that it came from the walk, not the house since today it was significantly better while working, after showering. Usually they crawl on me mostly all day 11-3 or 4, even with the shower and today, only a couple crawls.

        I mopped the floor with ortho home defense, making sure to squirt in between the floating floor boards. I think they might live under that.

        Overall I think the no mess blue fogger was a success though I still need to kill the stuff in the yard and I might need to do it again. Here, everyone sprays 4 times a year, the house and outdoor base of house. I did not do that. They also spray the yards since they get infested with fleas, ticks, chiggers, spiders, ants, grubs, gnats moths and more. It is a humid climate.

        We shall see how it goes tonight. I walked near concrete. Not by grass and woods and had only a couple crawls in the car. I need to fog the car but I don't think I can put the fogger in the car since they explode in small spaces. i believe they are nesting in the ventilation of the car or something. I spray vinegar water directly in the vents and I do believe that helped.

        Note that I should have worn a respirator (not just a mask) and made sure to put that on when coming back in to air out... I was breathing in my raincoat for a while and ended up coughing a lot. Not good.

        If I still have probs, next I might hire the pest eliminator company to inspect the attic, chimney, walls for signs of bats, mice, birds whatever might leave bugs behind or cause leaks in the house.

        BTW, silverfish also eat holes in clothes and some are microscopic. I have noticed a lot of them and a neighbor said she had a ton of them. I did notice the catfish looking head that I previously thought was a mite when I looked under a microscope. So this is also a possibility since they have a similar shape to springtails and have reason to crawl in clothing.

        Take care

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        M Sotired 

        2 months ago

        Thanks Sarania, I found it. I recall reading this a while ago. There's a lot of different information there. The laundry protocol is quite daunting. But at least I have the dehumidifiers. I have 2, might need at least one more. Haven't noticed much of a difference yet. I hope they help...eventually.

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        Sarania 

        2 months ago

        Tried to post the protocol from Invisible Parasites website....it's too long I think. I Googled it, and found it. Sorry about the link.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 months ago

        M Sotired, I'm sorry you a feeling down and frustrated. You are not alone! You can buy the foggers online... won't they deliver to your house? I can let you know if they work first.

        The 2 man tent on my queen bed is working well, easier to control than the whole house. I spray the blue hot shot spray in there prior to bed and only use my thin fleece blankets. It's nice and warm in there so not much blanket is needed. My pillows have encasements and are also double bagged in plastic.

        Sportsmens Warehouse has a noseeum mesh face net for $3 that seemed to work well though I don't think I need it too much in the tent. Walmart has the coleman rainpants and jacket that are mesh lined so I don't mind wearing them without any pants under them. $24 I wish I got the tent months ago.. would have saved me half the hell. I still get attacked while working on the computer - I work from home. I can take a shower and change clothes fairly easily though, working from home. wearing rain gear made me realize the clothes are getting infested, not my skin so that is good to know.

        I just went through storage bins and I keep finding poop from something, not mice but more like bird poop except it is flat and reddish brown, like a dried liquid, not solid.

        I saw some holes in clothing, but not a lot so far. I'm hoping the fogger hits the celing and goes into the vents to kill anything that got in there. I plan to put a fogger in the attic too though it is airy so might not help that much. I'm going to treat the dog prior to setting off the foggers so I can keep an eye on her. I got a free sample of advantix II and I know some dogs react to it.

        There were bats nearby so it could also be batbugs which look like bed bugs but are easy to get rid of and sleeping in the tent might help that.

        Not sure I said Vaseline helps control the crawling or catch them anyway since they can't move in it. Also using hydrocortizone when I feel one crawling.

        It also snowed here so that is also helping since I think the yard is infested with fleas, ticks, possibly deer or seed ticks, mites, spider mites, chiggers, ants, sheetweb spiders. I have seen grubs and slugs too and don't know if they would be related to this.

        ttyl

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        M Sotired 

        2 months ago

        I don't think I can get the foggers where I live, itgetsbetter. I'm running out of ideas and energy. You are making progress it seems.

        I would have nuked the place by now if it weren't for my pet. Maybe it's time to send him away for a while so I can actually use something strong enough that will work.

        I just don't know any more. There's not enough good news stories here to keep my momentum up.

        And none of us are crazy, but this sure makes you feel like you are. And that no one cares doesn't help either.

        Keep going. I'm not sure I can.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 months ago

        I just bought a tent! It's official... I'm crazy. the 2 man tent fits on the queen sized bed. I am trying ironing my clothing when I feel crawling since it could be larva in my clothes. Clothes moths make webbing and infest closets of clothing. I have a few holes in a couple items at least. I just read this, "The adult clothes moths do not eat wool and other fabrics. Rather, the moth larvae are responsible for destroying your clothing and making holes in your cotton, silk, linen, wool, and synthetic fabrics. So, a few tiny holes in your sweater, cardigan, and other types of clothing, as well as webbing in the corners of your closets, and a musty smell in your clothes indicate that moths have already infested your house." From: https://homequicks.com/how-to-get-rid-of-moths

        Also, I wore yellow rain pants over grey mesh lined rain pants along with rubber tall boots to sleep in. No bugs were crawling on my legs which was a new experience, but they did get into my hood and shirt via the face opening of my windbreaker. The next day I noticed tiny sticky ovals or blobs and a black shell that looked like a skin shed on the yellow rain pants. HA! Double plastic pants confused them! I also tucked pants into socks and used rubber bands in case they got in my boots.

        From Wikipedia Tineola bisselliella or clothing moth, "Females lay eggs in clusters of between 30 and 200 which adhere to surfaces with a gelatin-like glue. These hatch between four and ten days later into near-microscopic white caterpillars which immediately begin to feed. They will also spin mats under which to feed without being readily noticed and from which they will partially emerge at night or under dark conditions to acquire food. Development to the next stage takes place through between five and 45 instars typically over the course of between one month and two years until the pupal stage is reached. At this point, the caterpillars spin cocoons and spend another approximately 10–50 days developing into adults."

        The larva of moths can look like springtails one you roll them off and then onto a slide.

        So the blue fogger helps with flying moths (can barely see them). The purple one would probably be better so I will do that next since it gets flea larva and some others. I have never seen the varied carpet beetle on these things so far but I only saw one of those so far.

        If they are crawling on you, try double plastic pants, tuck into socks, add rubber band and use rubber boots. Then look at the yellow plastic rain pants in the morning since it is so easy to see stuff on them. I also tuck shirts in. I might fog the attic too. I noticed a few flying white things in the insulation.

        I hope you find a new clue. I also found a 10x magnifying glass at Michaels craft store and that helped me see the carpet beetle larva.

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        itgetsbetter 

        2 months ago

        M Sotired - I just sprayed the blue spray for flying insects -Hot shot - in the closets and a couple rooms and the garage and I tried to hit the ceiling. I have asked around since there was construction and people were complaining about the bugs and someone said the blue fogger. Actually 3 people said the foggers. I also have 2 boxes of blue foggers - hot shot, no mess, oderless and you don't have to blow out pilot lights with this one, 3 cans in each box (cheapest at walmart then lowes I think like $10 for 3 max). If the regular spray has some impact tonight, I will use all 6 foggers. 1 per bedroom, 2 in the living room (vaulted ceilings) and one in the garage with my car doors open (is that safe?). I will also treat the dog with Advantix II since it covers fleas and more (maybe ticks and lice too) and leave the house for a few hours then air it out for a couple hours.

        I have spider webs in the stucco ceiling everywhere and little dashing white or clear flying things most everywhere though you can only see them in the light and they look like dust that fly with purpose. One exterminator thought they could be flying ants - winged ants. If so, swarmers since they tried to swarm right through the screen window and got stuck, probably in my oil and vinegar spray. I thought they would be noseeums but I did also have tons of ants this summer. The flying things are really small...I can barely see them. They swarm though, mostly around lights. it could also be moth or carpet beetle related which would also explain the cocoons I have found and things are usually wrapped up in threads so they are nesting in clothing and whatever.

        the blue fogger also covers fleas so I know I have some of those. I found one this morning and it had a couple half legs on it... finally! This one was not a springtail. Usually by the time i get them on a slide they are a body at best. Sawyer also has a flying insect and tick repellant I am testing out that I think might just work a little.

        I woke up the other day with something above my lip. I brushed it off and had reddish brown shell in my hand which could be kissing bug, bed bug, flea. I think it was a flea since I have put out bedbug traps and there are none. it was sucking blood off my face. nice. no welt and it is not itchy but i almost bought a tent tonight. And yes, this inspired me to use poison. There is a webbing kinda moth and a microscopic moth - Philodoria. I have seen a normal sized moth in the house and 2 probably carpet beetle larva.

        Moth cartoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbaRgEnF3Sg

        I'm also wondering about cleaning the rest of the vents out since I noticed more may have dumped out of the vent than I thought... I thought it was white flecks only, say AC white rust but my desk had a ton of little brown specs, probably fleas and lots of dirt. i didn't see it since it is a brown desk.

        Cleaning the other computer out... vacuuming or using the can of air since that seemed to fix the crawling coming from my laptop.

        I was going to get bug pants jacket etc but some of the reviews are pretty bad.

        ttyl

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        M Sotired 

        2 months ago

        Itgetsbetter what are you going to fog with? Cedar oil? Or other chemicals?

        I just gave another PC guy money to tell me I have absolutely no pest problems. He has seen a lot of springtails issues (so he claimed). And I have found a couple of them in the bathroom, outside and on my bed!

        This is beyond frustrating. I am considering the cedar oil option. But I can't obtain it easily where I live, I'm sure that shipping costs will be horrendous. And I honestly think I'd have to get someone to do it for me. And then will it even work?

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        M Sotired 

        2 months ago

        Mel, if it's springtails / collembola, I read they live for up to 3 yrs. But they don't need a host. They live in fungus, mold, dust etc,

        Sarania, that link didn't work for me. Are you able to list the protocol here?

        Pete.... any updates. We could use some good news... and hope,

        MS

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        Mel2000 

        2 months ago

        Quick question: does anyone know how long they can last without a human host? I left my home and put everything in storage for the last six months.

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